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| From | Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.sys.raspberry-pi |
| Subject | Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) |
| Date | 2026-07-12 23:27 +0000 |
| Organization | none-at-all |
| Message-ID | <slrn11588nf.4f3.spamtrap42@one.localnet> (permalink) |
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On 2026-07-12, Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: > Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> writes: >> On 2026-07-12, Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>> On 12 Jul 2026 16:14:28 GMT, Robert Riches wrote: >>>> Or, perhaps you're just following the far-too-frequently observed >>>> pattern of, "The Wayland way is the _ONLY_ way!" >>> >>> I don’t see anybody offering a serious alternative. All I see is >>> people like you, complaining about things changing but not serious >>> about wanting to do something about it. >> >> Why is there a need to do anything? X works just fine. What >> happened to the motto of not fixing something if it's not broken? >> Why is there such a mad rush to re-invent things but do so more >> poorly than the original, working solution? > > ‘Why’ is covered in the FAQ. > > https://wayland.freedesktop.org/faq.html Yes, and those who have chosen to pathetically re-implement ntpd for systemd (throwing out everything that makes ntpd a superior solution) have similar justifications for their needless efforts. There's a quote, something to the effect that those who do not understand Unix will be condemned to re-implement it--poorly. The same seems appropriate when describing systemd's poor imitation of ntpd and Wayland. >>>> However, the real beauty of X's network transparency is not in 'ssh >>>> -X', it is in putting a hostname or IP address in the value of >>>> $DISPLAY so that X clients can access X display servers wherever >>>> they may be. > > That has very limited usefulness today due to its unacceptably poor > security. Yes, but in those cases where it is useful (far inside more than a few levels of security fencing and such), it's still useful and consumes a lot less resources than ssh -X. >>> X11 was never “network-transparent”. If the network connection went >>> down, all the remote X clients would die. >>> >>> To achieve network-transparency, you had to resort to something like >>> VNC or RDP. And those sorts of protocols can work equally well with >>> Wayland. >> >> Wrong! Without resorting to VNC, RDP, or anything similar, I >> have personally launched X clients that displayed on a display >> server on a different host. All you have to do is use the proper >> syntax to specify the remote display server in $DISPLAY or when >> calling the library function to open the display, set XHost >> appropriately, and supply the XAUTH key/cookie/whatever. > > Lawrence is right that your clients die if the network goes down > (e.g. if the client endpoint sleeps, which is the usual reason my remote > X clients fail). The first part about clients dying if the network connection goes down is so obviously trivial that it doesn't deserve comment. I think that gimmick might be called a red herring. Where Lawrence is wrong is that X does not require ssh -X, VNC, RDP, or anything similar to do X displaying across a network. That is what is normally meant by X's network transparency. > Whether that’s the definition of ‘network transaprent’ I’ll not take a > view on. But it’s certainly inconvenient. Not sure what you mean is inconvenient. -- Robert Riches spamtrap42@jacob21819.net (Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)
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odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> - 2026-07-08 12:03 +0100
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-07-08 17:04 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> - 2026-07-08 19:57 +0100
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-08 17:33 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> - 2026-07-08 19:54 +0100
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-08 23:17 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-07-09 02:46 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-09 04:34 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2026-07-09 11:14 +0100
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2026-07-09 18:31 +0100
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-09 22:59 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-10 02:54 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-09 18:29 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-09 22:58 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2026-07-11 12:32 +0100
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-11 14:05 +0100
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> - 2026-07-11 19:37 +0100
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-11 22:08 +0100
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-12 00:01 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-07-12 03:55 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-12 05:53 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-07-12 16:14 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-12 21:42 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-07-12 22:16 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-12 23:29 +0100
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-07-12 23:27 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-13 08:37 +0100
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-07-13 16:11 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Tom Blenko <blenko@martingalesystems.com> - 2026-07-13 16:30 -0700
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-07-14 04:09 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2026-07-13 23:34 +0100
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-14 08:36 +0100
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-12 23:25 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-07-12 23:30 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-13 01:16 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-07-13 04:16 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-13 05:50 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-12 23:22 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-13 08:31 +0100
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-12 09:07 +0100
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-07-12 16:06 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-11 22:07 +0000
resolved, sort of: Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> - 2026-07-09 08:41 +0100
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