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| From | Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.sys.raspberry-pi |
| Subject | Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) |
| Date | 2026-07-13 16:11 +0000 |
| Organization | none-at-all |
| Message-ID | <slrn115a3i3.ki8.spamtrap42@one.localnet> (permalink) |
| References | (11 earlier) <11311nj$34pmm$5@dont-email.me> <slrn11584i8.rs.spamtrap42@one.localnet> <wwvy0ff3kpl.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> <slrn11588nf.4f3.spamtrap42@one.localnet> <wwvik6j49x3.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
On 2026-07-13, Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: > Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> writes: >> Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> writes: >>>> Why is there a need to do anything? X works just fine. What >>>> happened to the motto of not fixing something if it's not broken? >>>> Why is there such a mad rush to re-invent things but do so more >>>> poorly than the original, working solution? >>> >>> ‘Why’ is covered in the FAQ. >>> >>> https://wayland.freedesktop.org/faq.html >> >> Yes, and those who have chosen to pathetically re-implement ntpd >> for systemd (throwing out everything that makes ntpd a superior >> solution) have similar justifications for their needless efforts. >> >> There's a quote, something to the effect that those who do not >> understand Unix will be condemned to re-implement it--poorly. >> The same seems appropriate when describing systemd's poor >> imitation of ntpd and Wayland. > > Wayland was largely created by X11 developers. They know a lot more > about it than you. Ahhh, yes... The "My dad is smarter than your dad" card was very popular on the grade-school playground. Without an equivalent or replacement for the [-]-geometry option when starting a simple (rectangular) client, a graphical windowing system is nearly as useless as Mickey$oft WinDoze. Being able to do the equivalent of "xterm -geometry 48x16+100+200" or "mplayer -geometry 720x480+200+300" is essential functionality. Parsimony is generally a good thing, but it be overdone to the point of impracticality. Software engineering academics will preach parsimony as an absolute goal. However, the benefits of parsimony need to be balanced against practical considerations in order to achieve useful results. An analogous thing happens in SQL database design. Academics preach normalization at an absolute goal. However, with a sufficiently complex system, full normalization can require each query to use an excessive number of joins, and that can adversely affect performance. Those with practical experience in DB design will concede that sometimes you need to denormalize slightly in order to get reasonable performance. -- Robert Riches spamtrap42@jacob21819.net (Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)
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odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> - 2026-07-08 12:03 +0100
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-07-08 17:04 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> - 2026-07-08 19:57 +0100
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-08 17:33 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> - 2026-07-08 19:54 +0100
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-08 23:17 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-07-09 02:46 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-09 04:34 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2026-07-09 11:14 +0100
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2026-07-09 18:31 +0100
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-09 22:59 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-10 02:54 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-09 18:29 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-09 22:58 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Daniel James <daniel@me.invalid> - 2026-07-11 12:32 +0100
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-11 14:05 +0100
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> - 2026-07-11 19:37 +0100
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-11 22:08 +0100
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-12 00:01 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-07-12 03:55 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-12 05:53 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-07-12 16:14 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-12 21:42 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-07-12 22:16 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-12 23:29 +0100
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-07-12 23:27 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-13 08:37 +0100
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-07-13 16:11 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Tom Blenko <blenko@martingalesystems.com> - 2026-07-13 16:30 -0700
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-07-14 04:09 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2026-07-13 23:34 +0100
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-14 08:36 +0100
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-12 23:25 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-07-12 23:30 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-13 01:16 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-07-13 04:16 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-13 05:50 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-07-12 23:22 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-13 08:31 +0100
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2026-07-12 09:07 +0100
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-07-12 16:06 +0000
Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-07-11 22:07 +0000
resolved, sort of: Re: odd windowing issue (perl Tk) Mike Scott <usenet.16@scottsonline.org.uk.invalid> - 2026-07-09 08:41 +0100
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