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Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh!

Subject Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh!
Newsgroups sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity
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From Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com>
Message-ID <sRLxD.28133$2T2.18543@fx42.am4> (permalink)
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Date 2018-10-17 20:13 +0100

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On 17/10/2018 18:32, benj wrote:
> On 10/17/2018 12:51 PM, Keith Stein wrote:
>> On 17/10/2018 17:14, benj wrote:
>>> On 10/17/2018 7:37 AM, Keith Stein wrote:
>>>> On 13/10/2018 16:08, Keith Stein wrote
>>>>> On 24/03/2018 08:36, Keith Stein wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  > Searching for an alternative explanation of the Hubble Red 
>>>>> Shifts, it
>>>>>  > occurred to me that if the speed of light is slowing down, then 
>>>>> this
>>>>>  > will necessarily lead to increasing red-shift with increasing
>>>>>  > distance, as observed by Hubble et. al., without any expansion 
>>>>> at all.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When light slows down by entering a more dense medium such as glass, or
>>>> water, the frequency stays the same and the WAVELENGTH REDUCES.
>>>> So how is it that when light slows down traveling across 
>>>> intergalactic space,the the WAVELENGTH INCREASES ?
>>>>
>>>> when light slows down entering a more dense medium, the front of the 
>>>> wave train hits the more dense medium first. The front therefore 
>>>> slows before the rear of the wave train, resulting in the rear of 
>>>> the wave catching up to some extent with the front. Thus the wave 
>>>> train compresses and the WAVELENGTH REDUCES.
>>>>
>>>> When light slows down in intergalactic space, on the other hand, 
>>>> there is no difference in the conditions at the front or back of the 
>>>> wave train. At any one time the front and back are indeed traveling 
>>>> at the same speed, and therefore the length of the wave train stays 
>>>> constant as it travels through intergalactic space.
>>>>
>>>> So "How is it that the wavelength of light from distant galaxies is 
>>>> INCREASED ? " you might ask, and i would reply that it is NOT that 
>>>> light is stretched as it travels through intergalactic space, but 
>>>> rather that it was emitted with an increased wavelength, when the 
>>>> velocity of light was higher than it is now.
>>>>
>>>> The frequency generated by any given atomic transition, even on 
>>>> distant galaxies many billions of years ago, is exactly the same as 
>>>> that on Earth today. The wavelength is proportional the the velocity 
>>>> of light AT THE TIME IT WAS EMITTED, and This increased wavelength 
>>>> is faithfully transmitted through space, where it is measured in our 
>>>> observatories.
>>>>
>>>> keith stein
>>
>>
>>> Sorry Keith but this is wrong on SO many levels!
>>
>> No need to apologize Benj, any feedback welcome eh!
>>
>> Is it that you're a believer in the "Big Bang Nonsense",
>> I'm not the only scientist who doubts that old cosmologist's tale
>> Have you read this?
>>
>> http://www.sci-news.com/astronomy/science-universe-not-expanding-01940.html 
>>
>>
>> "The scientists carefully compared the size and brightness of about a 
>> thousand nearby and extremely distant galaxies. They chose the most 
>> luminous spiral galaxies for comparisons, matching the average 
>> luminosity of the near and far samples.
>>
>> Contrary to the prediction of the Big Bang theory, they found that the 
>> surface brightnesses of the near and far galaxies are identical.
>>
>> These results are consistent with what would be expected from ordinary 
>> geometry if the Universe was not expanding, and are in contradiction 
>> with the drastic dimming of surface brightness predicted by the 
>> expanding Universe hypothesis."
> 
> I had not seen that article. It it excellent new data! I not only do not 
> "believe" in the Big Bang (science has nothing to do with belief) but I 
> long stated (here and other places) it is the biggest mistake in all of 
> physics. And the reason is that one starts with a mistake (red shift is 
> due to Doppler velocity) and then one must start piling on additional 
> mistake after mistake like "dark matter", and such to keep the erroneous 
> ideas going.

Not to mention "Inflation", or the latest abomination "Dark Energy" eh!


> As data in article notes, basic idea is not supported which makes the 
> whole cosmological house of cards fall. Important facts to note, however 
> is that Doppler shifts ARE real and cause light shifts due to motion. 
> However the majority of Red shift taken as "proof" of the expansion of 
> the universe is NOT due to velocity. And allow me to say that the theory 
> of "tired light" is wrong as well.

Well the light from distant galaxies is no more tired than the light 
from your computer screen, but it seems reasonable, to me, that as the
universe "evolves" the intergalactic medium must also "evolve". We
know from Maxwell's Theory that the velocity of light is dependent on
the properties of the medium, and so it is certainly not unreasonable
to believe that the velocity of light will decrease slowly with time.

> The true causes takes a change in the grand metaparadigms of science and 
> this is why there is such resistance to any new ideas.

I'm not keen on "new ideas" myself Benj. Been too many new ideas if you 
ask me. Back to Euclidean Geometry and Maxwell's Theory is what i want 
to see eh!


  I wrote a paper
> explaining what really causes Red Shift on one of my websites 
> (www.hypersphere.us) But it had some problem with calculating the 
> diameter of the universe 

I might be able to help you with that Benj.
Theoretically space can be considered to continue
out to infinity, in all directions.
and while data is still being collected we
can say that nothing in so far would give anyone
cause to doubt that the universe does indeed continue
forever eh!



so I took it down until I get it fixed.

Well if that helps you to get it back up, maybe i take a look,
but in the meantime i'm backing the light slowing in the evolving
cosmos myself Benj.


keith

> 

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