Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh!

From	benj <benj.fake@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh!
Date	2018-10-17 13:32 -0400
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On 10/17/2018 12:51 PM, Keith Stein wrote:
> On 17/10/2018 17:14, benj wrote:
>> On 10/17/2018 7:37 AM, Keith Stein wrote:
>>> On 13/10/2018 16:08, Keith Stein wrote
>>>> On 24/03/2018 08:36, Keith Stein wrote:
>>>
>>>>  > Searching for an alternative explanation of the Hubble Red 
>>>> Shifts, it
>>>>  > occurred to me that if the speed of light is slowing down, then this
>>>>  > will necessarily lead to increasing red-shift with increasing
>>>>  > distance, as observed by Hubble et. al., without any expansion at 
>>>> all.
>>>
>>>
>>> When light slows down by entering a more dense medium such as glass, or
>>> water, the frequency stays the same and the WAVELENGTH REDUCES.
>>> So how is it that when light slows down traveling across 
>>> intergalactic space,the the WAVELENGTH INCREASES ?
>>>
>>> when light slows down entering a more dense medium, the front of the 
>>> wave train hits the more dense medium first. The front therefore 
>>> slows before the rear of the wave train, resulting in the rear of the 
>>> wave catching up to some extent with the front. Thus the wave train 
>>> compresses and the WAVELENGTH REDUCES.
>>>
>>> When light slows down in intergalactic space, on the other hand, 
>>> there is no difference in the conditions at the front or back of the 
>>> wave train. At any one time the front and back are indeed traveling 
>>> at the same speed, and therefore the length of the wave train stays 
>>> constant as it travels through intergalactic space.
>>>
>>> So "How is it that the wavelength of light from distant galaxies is 
>>> INCREASED ? " you might ask, and i would reply that it is NOT that 
>>> light is stretched as it travels through intergalactic space, but 
>>> rather that it was emitted with an increased wavelength, when the 
>>> velocity of light was higher than it is now.
>>>
>>> The frequency generated by any given atomic transition, even on 
>>> distant galaxies many billions of years ago, is exactly the same as 
>>> that on Earth today. The wavelength is proportional the the velocity 
>>> of light AT THE TIME IT WAS EMITTED, and This increased wavelength is 
>>> faithfully transmitted through space, where it is measured in our 
>>> observatories.
>>>
>>> keith stein
> 
> 
>> Sorry Keith but this is wrong on SO many levels!
> 
> No need to apologize Benj, any feedback welcome eh!
> 
> Is it that you're a believer in the "Big Bang Nonsense",
> I'm not the only scientist who doubts that old cosmologist's tale
> Have you read this?
> 
> http://www.sci-news.com/astronomy/science-universe-not-expanding-01940.html
> 
> "The scientists carefully compared the size and brightness of about a 
> thousand nearby and extremely distant galaxies. They chose the most 
> luminous spiral galaxies for comparisons, matching the average 
> luminosity of the near and far samples.
> 
> Contrary to the prediction of the Big Bang theory, they found that the 
> surface brightnesses of the near and far galaxies are identical.
> 
> These results are consistent with what would be expected from ordinary 
> geometry if the Universe was not expanding, and are in contradiction 
> with the drastic dimming of surface brightness predicted by the 
> expanding Universe hypothesis."

I had not seen that article. It it excellent new data! I not only do not 
"believe" in the Big Bang (science has nothing to do with belief) but I 
long stated (here and other places) it is the biggest mistake in all of 
physics. And the reason is that one starts with a mistake (red shift is 
due to Doppler velocity) and then one must start piling on additional 
mistake after mistake like "dark matter", and such to keep the erroneous 
ideas going.

As data in article notes, basic idea is not supported which makes the 
whole cosmological house of cards fall. Important facts to note, however 
is that Doppler shifts ARE real and cause light shifts due to motion. 
However the majority of Red shift taken as "proof" of the expansion of 
the universe is NOT due to velocity. And allow me to say that the theory 
of "tired light" is wrong as well.

The true causes takes a change in the grand metaparadigms of science and 
this is why there is such resistance to any new ideas. I wrote a paper 
explaining what really causes Red Shift on one of my websites 
(www.hypersphere.us) But it had some problem with calculating the 
diameter of the universe so I took it down until I get it fixed.

Thread

Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 16:08 +0100
  Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-13 10:49 -0700
    Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 10:58 -0700
      Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-13 11:06 -0700
        Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 16:11 -0400
      Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 16:10 -0400
    Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 16:08 -0400
      Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-13 14:03 -0700
        Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 18:27 -0400
          Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-13 21:36 -0700
            Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-14 13:44 -0700
            Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-15 11:24 -0400
              Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-15 08:45 -0700
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-15 12:06 -0400
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-15 17:32 +0000
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-15 21:15 -0400
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-16 02:51 +0000
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-15 23:00 -0400
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-16 11:24 +0000
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-16 08:12 -0400
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-16 12:39 +0000
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-15 10:34 -0700
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-15 21:18 -0400
              Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-15 10:32 -0700
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-15 21:17 -0400
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-15 20:57 -0700
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-16 08:10 -0400
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-16 11:00 -0700
      Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 18:49 -0700
  Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-10-13 13:48 -0700
    Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 15:33 -0700
      Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 20:43 -0400
        Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 18:36 -0700
          Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 23:10 -0400
        Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-14 08:35 -0700
          Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-14 13:47 -0700
            Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-14 23:06 +0000
        Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-10-14 15:02 -0700
      Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 10:34 -0700
  Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 18:48 -0700
    Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 19:01 -0700
    Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 23:12 -0400
  Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 19:01 -0700
    Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 23:17 -0400
      Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-10-15 13:10 -0700
  Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-15 16:09 +0100
  Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 12:37 +0100
    Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 08:43 -0700
    Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 12:14 -0400
      Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 17:51 +0100
        Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 13:32 -0400
          Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 20:13 +0100
            Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 15:50 -0400
              Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-18 10:27 +0100
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-18 07:56 -0700
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-18 22:35 +0000
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-18 22:52 +0000
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 09:26 -0700
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 23:12 +0000
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 16:18 -0700
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 02:05 +0000
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 02:07 +0000
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-24 22:02 -0700
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 10:35 +0000
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 05:33 -0700
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 06:59 -0700
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 16:09 +0000
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-26 10:33 -0700
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-25 16:30 +0000
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 10:02 -0700
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 22:09 +0000
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-26 04:02 -0700
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-26 17:48 +0000
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-26 11:15 -0700
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-10-26 11:52 -0700
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-26 22:53 +0000
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-27 06:56 -0700
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-26 10:27 -0700
                Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-18 12:30 -0400
              Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-10-19 10:27 -0700
    Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-17 16:50 +0000
      Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-18 10:40 +0100

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