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| Subject | Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! |
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| Newsgroups | sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity |
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| From | Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> |
| Message-ID | <AMJxD.123710$p%6.94652@fx26.am4> (permalink) |
| Organization | virginmedia.com |
| Date | 2018-10-17 17:51 +0100 |
Cross-posted to 2 groups.
On 17/10/2018 17:14, benj wrote: > On 10/17/2018 7:37 AM, Keith Stein wrote: >> On 13/10/2018 16:08, Keith Stein wrote >>> On 24/03/2018 08:36, Keith Stein wrote: >> >>> > Searching for an alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts, it >>> > occurred to me that if the speed of light is slowing down, then this >>> > will necessarily lead to increasing red-shift with increasing >>> > distance, as observed by Hubble et. al., without any expansion at >>> all. >> >> >> When light slows down by entering a more dense medium such as glass, or >> water, the frequency stays the same and the WAVELENGTH REDUCES. >> So how is it that when light slows down traveling across intergalactic >> space,the the WAVELENGTH INCREASES ? >> >> when light slows down entering a more dense medium, the front of the >> wave train hits the more dense medium first. The front therefore slows >> before the rear of the wave train, resulting in the rear of the wave >> catching up to some extent with the front. Thus the wave train >> compresses and the WAVELENGTH REDUCES. >> >> When light slows down in intergalactic space, on the other hand, there >> is no difference in the conditions at the front or back of the wave >> train. At any one time the front and back are indeed traveling at the >> same speed, and therefore the length of the wave train stays constant >> as it travels through intergalactic space. >> >> So "How is it that the wavelength of light from distant galaxies is >> INCREASED ? " you might ask, and i would reply that it is NOT that >> light is stretched as it travels through intergalactic space, but >> rather that it was emitted with an increased wavelength, when the >> velocity of light was higher than it is now. >> >> The frequency generated by any given atomic transition, even on >> distant galaxies many billions of years ago, is exactly the same as >> that on Earth today. The wavelength is proportional the the velocity >> of light AT THE TIME IT WAS EMITTED, and This increased wavelength is >> faithfully transmitted through space, where it is measured in our >> observatories. >> >> keith stein > Sorry Keith but this is wrong on SO many levels! No need to apologize Benj, any feedback welcome eh! Is it that you're a believer in the "Big Bang Nonsense", I'm not the only scientist who doubts that old cosmologist's tale Have you read this? http://www.sci-news.com/astronomy/science-universe-not-expanding-01940.html "The scientists carefully compared the size and brightness of about a thousand nearby and extremely distant galaxies. They chose the most luminous spiral galaxies for comparisons, matching the average luminosity of the near and far samples. Contrary to the prediction of the Big Bang theory, they found that the surface brightnesses of the near and far galaxies are identical. These results are consistent with what would be expected from ordinary geometry if the Universe was not expanding, and are in contradiction with the drastic dimming of surface brightness predicted by the expanding Universe hypothesis." On 24/03/2018 08:36, Keith Stein wrote: > Searching for an alternative explanation of the Hubble Red Shifts, it > occurred to me that if the speed of light is slowing down, then this > will necessarily lead to increasing red-shift with increasing > distance, as observed by Hubble et. al., without any expansion at all. > > Merely by assuming dc = -K c dt ..................(1) > I was led to c = c(0) e^-Kt ...............(2) > and on to Red-Shift = e^-Kt - 1 .........(3) > > K ~= 10^-10 /year > t = time in years > > Only after starting the PHYSICS PRIZE thread, in which i was trying to > enlist the help of sci.physics.relativity readers to obtain a more > accurate value of K, did the obvious solution occur to me........... > > K = H = Hubble's Constant > and t = -t ( so times past become +ve) > > which substituted in (3) gives: > > Red-Shift = e^Ht - 1 .........(4) > > then for times which are small compared to 1/H (i.e. small compared > to the 'age of the universe'), we may use the approximation: > e^x ~= 1 + x .................(5) > > So for t << 1/H we have: > > Red-Shift = H * t ............(6) > > which is of course the normal "Hubble's Law", valid only > for modest times into the past ( t < ~5 billion years). > > As our telescopes manage to see further out into space, and therefore > further back in time, we will find that the normal linear Hubble's Law > expressed in equation(6), will have to be replaced by the more > accurate exponential form expressed in equation(4). This is indeed > what is found in observatories all around the world eh! wikepedia wrote: "We currently appear to be approaching a period where the expansion is exponential due to the increasing dominance of vacuum energy. In this regime, the Hubble parameter is constant, and the universe grows by a factor e each Hubble time:" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble%27s_law#Observed_values_of_the_Hubble_constant
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Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-13 16:08 +0100
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Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-15 16:09 +0100
Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 12:37 +0100
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Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 17:51 +0100
Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 13:32 -0400
Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 20:13 +0100
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Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-18 10:27 +0100
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Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-25 16:30 +0000
Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 10:02 -0700
Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-25 22:09 +0000
Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-26 04:02 -0700
Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-26 17:48 +0000
Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-10-26 11:15 -0700
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Re: Universe NO T Ex p a n d i n g eh! Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-26 22:53 +0000
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