Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL

From	David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL
Date	2021-03-09 17:55 +0100
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On 09/03/2021 17:16, Manfred wrote:

> 
> A webserver is somewhat peculiar nowadays, because the Internet is so
> widespread, and you find a plethora of different contexts where a
> "webserver" is deployed, from ISPs to IOT chips. Being so widespread,
> some higher level languages even ship most of the http stack as part of
> their standard library - a webserver in Java is next to trivial.

Fair enough.

> 
> More in general, thinking things like e.g. fileservers or VPN gateways,
> as far as I can see C pretty hard to beat.
> 
I think you would be very hard pushed to make a fileserver in C that is
much faster than, say Go or Rust.  It would likely be a challenge even
to make it measurably faster than Python.

The thing about a lot of servers these days is that the application code
is not the bottleneck.  That code spends most of its time waiting for
data from disks, data through networks, data being encrypted or
compressed (the encryption and compression stuff being written in C,
regardless of the higher level language).

And even when processor work at the high level code point (rather than
underlying libraries or OS code) is the issue, certain languages other
than C can make it easier to make more efficient use of the processor.
In C, you do things manually (memory management, threading, etc.).  This
gives you full control - but it means you need to do the work in the
code, and that might not be the priority for the development.  Your C
code needs to handle memory allocation and deallocation, both taking
time - a garbage collected language with more sophistication might do
all the freeing in the background on another thread, reducing the effort
needed during the critical paths.

I am not saying you are wrong here - I have no numbers to justify such a
claim.  But I think the situation is a good deal more complex than just
"C has minimal overheads and is therefore the fastest language".  It may
be the fastest language for some many of code (though other compiled
languages like C++, Fortran, Ada, D, etc., could challenge it), but the
code is often not the only consideration for the speed of a task.

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STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL tylo <tylovset@gmail.com> - 2021-03-03 07:16 -0800
  Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-03-03 21:36 +0000
    Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-03-03 20:49 -0800
  Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-03-03 13:50 -0800
    Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-03-03 13:56 -0800
  Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL John Dill <jadill33@gmail.com> - 2021-03-03 14:17 -0800
    Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-03-03 16:21 -0600
      Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-03-03 22:45 +0000
        Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-03-03 17:21 -0600
      Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL John Dill <jadill33@gmail.com> - 2021-03-03 15:05 -0800
        Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-03-03 17:28 -0600
  Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-03-03 20:44 -0800
    Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-03-03 20:45 -0800
  Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2021-03-04 10:16 +0100
    Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-03-04 12:09 +0100
      Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-03-04 12:00 +0000
        Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-03-04 14:15 +0100
          Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL tylo <tylovset@gmail.com> - 2021-03-07 14:51 -0800
      Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2021-03-04 19:19 +0300
        Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2021-03-04 11:41 -0800
      Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2021-03-05 10:19 +1300
      Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL tylo <tylovset@gmail.com> - 2021-03-08 00:23 -0800
        Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-03-08 11:46 +0100
          Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL tylo <tylovset@gmail.com> - 2021-03-08 05:36 -0800
            Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-03-08 15:19 +0100
              Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL tylo <tylovset@gmail.com> - 2021-03-08 08:23 -0800
              Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2021-03-08 18:53 +0100
                Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-03-08 20:01 +0100
                Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2021-03-09 17:16 +0100
                Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-03-09 17:55 +0100
                Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL Kaz Kylheku <563-365-8930@kylheku.com> - 2021-03-09 17:19 +0000
                Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-03-09 19:58 +0100
                Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2021-03-09 18:42 +0100
                Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-03-08 17:41 -0800
                Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-03-08 17:45 -0800
    Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2021-03-04 18:46 +0000
    Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-03-04 23:35 -0800
  Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-03-08 17:05 -0800
    Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-03-08 17:18 -0800
      Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL tylo <tylovset@gmail.com> - 2021-03-16 14:49 -0700
    Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2021-03-09 21:25 -0800

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