Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL

From	Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL
Date	2021-03-04 18:46 +0000
Organization	Some absurd concept
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In comp.lang.c, jacobnavia  <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> wrote:
> Your project presents a path I did not take. For two reasons:
> 
> 1: No debugger. Since the macros aren't inline functions, very few 
> debuggers will be able to follow the macrologie to its humen readable 
> sources. A macro will have many other macros expanded, that will in turn 
> have another more lower level macros, etc. So, at the end you are 
> presented with a mess of statements where finding the bug is absolutely 
> impossible...
> 
> Then, you are forced to printf debugging, what surfaces now in the 
> output presented by Mr Thomasson and others.
> 
> 2: Code bloat. I haven't tried, but it would be interesting to know the 
> size of a high level macro in terms of code size. Code bloat slows down 
> the machine since it destroys the code cches. Since some people have 
> compiled this, I would like to know how much is the size of an expanded 
> macro for accessing the nth memeber of a list, for instance.

Changing the topic, but this reminds me of the Carlini example in the
2020 IOCCC winners. Through macro expansion at compile time, 266k of a
276k binary was one string. And since that string was a printf() format,
you can't even use printf() to debug it.

"[I]ts primary purpose is to serve as The One True Debugger"
 -- the hints file on printf() from Carlini

Elijah
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has never noticed IOCCC get discussed here

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STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL tylo <tylovset@gmail.com> - 2021-03-03 07:16 -0800
  Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-03-03 21:36 +0000
    Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-03-03 20:49 -0800
  Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-03-03 13:50 -0800
    Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-03-03 13:56 -0800
  Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL John Dill <jadill33@gmail.com> - 2021-03-03 14:17 -0800
    Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-03-03 16:21 -0600
      Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2021-03-03 22:45 +0000
        Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-03-03 17:21 -0600
      Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL John Dill <jadill33@gmail.com> - 2021-03-03 15:05 -0800
        Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2021-03-03 17:28 -0600
  Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-03-03 20:44 -0800
    Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-03-03 20:45 -0800
  Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2021-03-04 10:16 +0100
    Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-03-04 12:09 +0100
      Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2021-03-04 12:00 +0000
        Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-03-04 14:15 +0100
          Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL tylo <tylovset@gmail.com> - 2021-03-07 14:51 -0800
      Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2021-03-04 19:19 +0300
        Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2021-03-04 11:41 -0800
      Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2021-03-05 10:19 +1300
      Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL tylo <tylovset@gmail.com> - 2021-03-08 00:23 -0800
        Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-03-08 11:46 +0100
          Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL tylo <tylovset@gmail.com> - 2021-03-08 05:36 -0800
            Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-03-08 15:19 +0100
              Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL tylo <tylovset@gmail.com> - 2021-03-08 08:23 -0800
              Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2021-03-08 18:53 +0100
                Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-03-08 20:01 +0100
                Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2021-03-09 17:16 +0100
                Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-03-09 17:55 +0100
                Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL Kaz Kylheku <563-365-8930@kylheku.com> - 2021-03-09 17:19 +0000
                Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2021-03-09 19:58 +0100
                Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2021-03-09 18:42 +0100
                Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-03-08 17:41 -0800
                Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-03-08 17:45 -0800
    Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2021-03-04 18:46 +0000
    Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-03-04 23:35 -0800
  Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-03-08 17:05 -0800
    Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2021-03-08 17:18 -0800
      Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL tylo <tylovset@gmail.com> - 2021-03-16 14:49 -0700
    Re: STC - A "Standard Template Containers" library for C, similar to STL Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2021-03-09 21:25 -0800

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