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| From | Arlen Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> |
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| Newsgroups | comp.mobile.android |
| Subject | Re: Note pad |
| Date | 2021-01-04 00:21 +0000 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
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On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 22:54:18 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> You are judging intelligence based on things that are a matter of
> opinion. Don't judge.
They're the ones uploading my kids' & grandkids' contacts to Google.
o Not me.
> If you want that information not to be uploaded, lobby your congressman
> representatives to pass laws against that. Privacy laws. We have some in
> Europe. Americans typically hate those laws. You can not have both ends.
I voted "yes" on this November election day proposition 24 on privacy:
o <https://votersedge.org/en/ca/ballot/election/2020-11-03/measure/proposition-24>
It wasn't as easy a call as one might think because a good law badly
written or badly implemented is not a good law in the end.
So it was a judgment call:
a. Should I vote for privacy, or,
b. Should I opt to not increase the government bureaucracy
I worried about this creation of an entirely new government bureaucracy,
which, let's face it, only the largest states in America can pull it off,
where California has used its clout in the past (e.g., in California you
can only buy a vehicle certified for California, which no other state can
get away with because cars happen to have wheels ... just ask Jim Florio in
NJ what happened when he tried a similar trick on the sale of trucks).
Whether I like it or not, the bill passed
o 9,384,125 votes yes (56.2%)
o 7,305,026 votes no (43.8%)
Where I'd prefer "big decisions" be forced to earn a super majority
o But it's law which the California lawmakers can't stop
Note: In California, the "people" get to make the laws when/if they want
o This is often abused by well funded corporations though
>>> Here, it is forbidden that the owner installs the gas appliances.
>>
>> Wow. Really? That's like forbidding the owner to install a light bulb.
>> o Here we can install anything we want (AFAIK).
>
> No.
>
> A badly setup gas installation is a risk of explosion that can kill
> people besides yourself, and destroy property besides your own.
Carlos,
Don't be like Poutnik and hand me pure platitudes
o If I install an appliance to code - the appliance is safe.
Whether you like facts or not, the fact is still a fact.
o If I install a hot water heater to code (and I've done it many times)
then it's safe.
Whether you think it's not safe or not is immaterial.
o If it's to code, it's safe.
Do I sound like someone who doesn't know what the codes are?
o Do you think they _hide_ the codes from us in America?
It doesn't work the way you _wish_ it would work, Carlos.
o Just because you're too scared to do something doesn't make it unsafe.
It just means you're too scared to do it.
o Here, in America, most of us aren't scared to do anything.
It's partly what makes us Americans, Carlos.
o Our spirit is we can do whatever we want to do, Carlos.
And we do.
> A badly setup light bulb endangers no one, because a bulb has been
> designed to be user replaceable, and doesn't explode.
Agreed.
> And of course we can call the gas company (or the fire brigade) if we
> smell a leak, and they do come fast. Once in an apartment building we
> smelled what we thought was gas. They came in minutes. Turned out it was
> gasoline, not gas. Someone had dumped gasoline on the toilet, flooding
> the entire tower with the leaked smell through the shared drains. They
> did charge the building for the false alarm, though.
Hmmm... In the Silicon Valley we have pretty blue and white roadside signs
painted almost everywhere saying that the water drains to the bay so please
don't dump stuff into the drainage system. Particularly stuff like benzene.
Up here, in the mountains, every one of us has our own well and septic
system, so we wouldn't think of dumping gasoline into the drainage system.
We have places to recycle used oil, where, I've never been refused when I
bring a container of old motor oil to the stores that I bought the original
oil (I think it's a law they must accept not only the old oil but also the
old oil filter but I'm not sure about that).
And the recycling gives us five (yes, five) bins each of the recycling
which is ten bins total (five for household recycling and five for
landscape recycling) where these wheeled bins come up to your armpits.
Of course, they charge us over $100 every three months for the one puny
gray trash bin (I think it's 20 gallons?) so they get us in the end. :)
> If they come after a call and find a fault with a gas installation that
> was not inspected by a registered and licensed technician, you are in
> trouble. If there is some type of accident with damages, the insurance
> can refuse to cover, besides the fines.
What if it's 100% to the code?
> It is not rocket science, but the law says an inspector has to inspect
> it. In fact, the installation can be done by anyone, then the inspector
> comes. If he finds a fault, he can be nice and repair it himself if it
> is trivial, or refuse to write the certificate, charge for the visit,
> and schedule another visit.
I suspect it's similar here for the devices which _require_ a permit.
o Hell, we can't even substantially re-roof a house here without one.
But I suspect the permit is more of a tax than anything else.
>> California is strange though, as it's a nanny state.
>
> You call them nanny states, we call it normal. We elect the politicians
> to work.
I'm not a native Californian, as I grew up in the upper northeast.
o The native Californians are, IMHO, morons.
They trust government.
o I don't.
> It is not simply reading the codes. It is having the tools, and also
> having the experience. I can do many things, but I don't have all the
> tools (nor the testers), and I certainly do not have the experience. It
> takes me longer to do those things.
The tools are, almost always, free, in the sense that usually you can
re-use them for the rest of your life.
As an example, my first brake job, oh, when was that, probably in the early
sixties, I needed jack stands and a floor jack, which I'm still using
today.
The first time I mounted a car tire, I had to buy a tire mounting tool, and
then a bead breaker, and then a static balancer, which cost, oh, about $300
or so, but I've done scores of tires since, such that the tools long ago
paid for themselves such that mounting & balancing tires is free:
o Questions about mounting & balancing new LT tires on new steel rims
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.autos.tech/J5-7TxdDpBw>
o Clare - are smaller car tires easier to balance than SUV tires?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.home.repair/So4om4fLtmI>
o Clare, Xeno.... did you ever have a batch of tires that just wouldn't seal after the final bead?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.autos.tech/n4bqsqo6ObY>
Even the gas cans paid for themselves, as a single trip to the gas station
for a retired person is 30 miles, which, oh, say, at 30 miles to a gallon
(to make the math easy) is three or four bucks each trip just in gas.
When I replaced a clutch, they said it would be around twelve hundred
bucks, so I bought the clutch plate & diaphragm, throw out bearing, main
bearing, flywheel, and transmission seals for, oh, about $300 or so and
then I had to buy a transmission jack, for another $250. Plus a few 30 inch
extensions to my 1/2 inch sockets, for a total of, oh, say, about half of
what it would have cost to pay someone else to replace that SUV clutch.
o Clutch bolts and locktite
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.autos.tech/c/wEVm6kdNo2o/>
> For instance, I do my house new wiring, but I don't like to touch the
> ancient wiring⁽¹⁾. I do have the equipment and the knowledge. But it
> takes me weeks of spare time, when they do it in a few hours.
Yes but. Do they do a good job?
I always liken your argument to the one about cleaning toilets.
o Sure, they clean them fast - but do they care about the results?
> They
> instinctively know what is each cable (all black) because it is their
> trade and they know how other electricians work(ed). I don't. I do
> things correctly, but I do them my own way that is different from
> theirs. Similarly, it is more difficult for me to guess what they did
> and why.
Out here, we have codes.
o Black is hot
o White is neutral
o Bare or green is ground
Even the bolts are often color coded
o Brass is hot
o Silvered is neutral
o Green is ground
We also have red & blue for special situations (e.g., 3-way switches).
> (1) For instance, I can not easily test where a wire goes without some
> helper to test at the other end of the wire. Nor can I pull at one end
> of a cable with nobody pushing at the other end.
That's why we all have Fluke meters.
> And yes, a certified electrician has to come and sign the papers after
> inspection.
We have to wire to code.
o AFAIK, it doesn't matter who does the wiring, as long as it's to code.
Home wiring is about as easy a home-repair task there is.
o If that's too complex, then I understand you point of view.
But here we can do our own wiring & plumbing & car repairs.
>> Just so you know, NewPipe can be set to save its own YouTube history
>> o That way your history isn't known to Google (AFAIK)
>
> There are advantages to let google keep that history that many people
> like or even love.
OK. But there are disadvantages also (mostly to your privacy).
> Again, you are judging. Don't judge.
I don't mind ignorance as much as I mind stupidity.
o Ignorance is simply not knowing that NewPipe exists
o Stupidity is knowing that, and yet still watching commercials on YouTube
Same with people who don't know Android doesn't need to be set to a Google
Account, or with people who don't know that Google Maps tracks them
everywhere.
Ignorance can be fixed; stupidity cannot.
--
Usenet allows those with different points of view to exchange ideas.
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