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Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh

From David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c++
Subject Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh
Date 2020-01-02 22:58 +0100
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On 02/01/2020 17:45, boltar@nowhere.org wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Jan 2020 13:27:15 +0200
> Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> wrote:
>> On 2.01.2020 12:52, boltar@nowhere.org wrote:
>>>> Something which is illegal by the standard cannot be "the point" of a
>>>> standard feature.
>>>
>>> Where is it stated thats its illegal?
>>
>> You see, I'm not against making the union type punning legal for POD
> 
> So its not stated anywhere then.

The C++ standards are notoriously difficult to read on this particular 
point.  C11 makes it clear that type-punning via unions is allowed - the 
C++ standards have no equivalent note.  They do say, however, that at 
most one (non-static) data member can be "active" at a time.  Based on 
the rules for lifetimes and active members of a union, writing to one 
member of the union and reading from a different member is undefined 
behaviour.

Also note that the C and C++ standards consider anything that is not 
explicitly described behaviour, to be undefined behaviour.  So since 
there isn't anything describing this usage in C++, the behaviour is 
undefined by default - it simply hasn't been given a definition.

> 
>> types, for C compatibility, as proposed by Mr Flibble in another thread.
>> If and when this gets incorporated into the C++ standard, I will happily
> 
> If its not in the standard but is it in C then it gets incorporated into
> C++ unless stated otherwise.

Absolute nonsense.  C++ is not a superset of C.  You will get many 
subtle things wrong if you keep thinking this way.

> 
>> encourage it as it is a bit safer than some other type punning methods
>> (at least it gets the alignments correct).
>>
>> However, for now this is UB by the standard, and "illegal" is a
>> colloquial term often used for UB in technical standards. I used this
>> term because it seems you cannot really grasp what UB is.
> 
> I have no idea what UB stands for nor do I care.
> 

It stands for "undefined behaviour" - something that does not have an 
effect or behaviour defined by the relevant standard.  A particular 
compiler is always free to give a definition to the behaviour if it 
wants, but does not have to do so.

Generally, you should avoid any kind of undefined behaviour in your code 
unless your compiler documents that it defines the particular point, and 
you are happy with code that is not portable.  (There is nothing wrong 
with non-portable code, as long as you are aware of the issue.)

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  Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-14 09:23 +0000
    Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2019-12-14 17:19 +0000
      Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-14 09:54 -0800
        Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh woodbrian77@gmail.com - 2019-12-14 12:00 -0800
          Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-14 13:51 -0800
            Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-12-14 22:19 +0000
              Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-14 16:13 -0800
              Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2019-12-15 15:35 +0000
        Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-12-14 22:17 +0000
          Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-14 16:03 -0800
            Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-12-15 15:41 +1300
              Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-12-14 22:55 -0800
            Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-15 09:53 +0000
              Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-12-15 11:18 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-15 16:44 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-12-15 20:49 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-12-15 15:11 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-12-15 23:28 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-15 15:41 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-12-16 05:18 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-16 10:46 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-16 09:57 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-16 10:21 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-17 09:37 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2019-12-17 15:13 +0200
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-17 14:12 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2019-12-17 19:35 +0200
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-18 16:14 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-17 08:32 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-18 16:26 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2019-12-18 19:11 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2019-12-18 11:23 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-18 11:31 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2019-12-18 19:56 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-19 08:42 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2019-12-19 20:26 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-20 09:25 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-20 04:35 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-20 16:28 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-20 10:36 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-21 16:33 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-21 09:11 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-21 17:22 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-21 10:18 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2019-12-21 21:21 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-21 14:30 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2019-12-22 21:36 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-22 15:05 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-22 17:03 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Mr Flibble <flibble@i42.removethisbit.co.uk> - 2019-12-22 17:46 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-12-22 18:07 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-23 16:23 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Mr Flibble <flibble@i42.removethisbit.co.uk> - 2019-12-23 16:33 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-23 16:46 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2019-12-23 18:51 +0200
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-23 17:02 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2019-12-23 19:17 +0200
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.org - 2019-12-24 09:49 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-12-24 02:16 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2019-12-25 00:30 +0200
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.org - 2019-12-26 09:46 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2019-12-26 16:38 +0200
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.org - 2019-12-26 17:33 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2019-12-26 19:52 +0200
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.org - 2019-12-27 17:14 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2019-12-27 09:41 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.org - 2019-12-28 12:05 +0000
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                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.org - 2019-12-29 09:00 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2019-12-29 12:21 +0200
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.org - 2019-12-29 18:30 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2019-12-29 21:45 +0200
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.org - 2019-12-30 10:10 +0000
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                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.org - 2019-12-30 12:17 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-30 04:39 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.org - 2019-12-30 13:01 +0000
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                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-12-30 14:22 +0100
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                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-12-30 18:16 +0100
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                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-12-30 19:17 +0100
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                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-12-31 13:13 +0100
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                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2020-01-11 11:55 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-01-11 23:59 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-01-01 23:04 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-01-04 20:04 -0500
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                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2020-01-06 18:39 +0000
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                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-01-01 23:09 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-12-31 03:29 +0100
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                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.org - 2020-01-04 12:43 +0000
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                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2020-01-05 11:22 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2020-01-05 21:07 -0600
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-01-05 20:40 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2020-01-06 18:08 -0600
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-01-06 23:17 -0500
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-01-07 08:37 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-01-10 14:51 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-01-07 08:28 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-01-10 14:19 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-01-01 23:15 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.org - 2020-01-02 09:33 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-01-02 12:16 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Chris Vine <chris@cvine--nospam--.freeserve.co.uk> - 2019-12-31 18:14 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-12-31 19:16 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Chris Vine <chris@cvine--nospam--.freeserve.co.uk> - 2019-12-31 18:48 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2019-12-31 12:29 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.org - 2020-01-01 09:17 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-30 16:32 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Bo Persson <bo@bo-persson.se> - 2019-12-30 14:57 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.org - 2019-12-31 09:23 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-12-30 22:16 -0500
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2019-12-30 20:30 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-01-10 21:12 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2019-12-30 20:07 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-12-30 13:50 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2020-01-01 08:11 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.org - 2020-01-02 09:28 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-01-10 21:26 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Chris Vine <chris@cvine--nospam--.freeserve.co.uk> - 2019-12-29 11:31 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.org - 2019-12-29 18:35 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Mr Flibble <flibble@i42.removethisbit.co.uk> - 2019-12-29 18:40 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.org - 2019-12-30 10:12 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-12-30 14:10 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2019-12-29 12:11 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2019-12-29 22:20 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-30 01:23 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Chris Vine <chris@cvine--nospam--.freeserve.co.uk> - 2019-12-30 15:54 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Mr Flibble <flibble@i42.removethisbit.co.uk> - 2019-12-30 17:07 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Chris Vine <chris@cvine--nospam--.freeserve.co.uk> - 2019-12-30 19:58 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Chris Vine <chris@cvine--nospam--.freeserve.co.uk> - 2019-12-30 23:59 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-12-30 21:23 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2019-12-28 18:09 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Mr Flibble <flibble@i42.removethisbit.co.uk> - 2019-12-26 18:30 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.org - 2019-12-27 17:17 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-27 09:58 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.org - 2019-12-28 12:06 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-28 08:39 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.org - 2019-12-28 16:57 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2020-01-02 23:18 -0500
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2019-12-26 10:54 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2019-12-26 22:50 +0200
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2019-12-26 10:38 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh woodbrian77@gmail.com - 2019-12-24 17:52 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-24 23:53 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh woodbrian77@gmail.com - 2019-12-25 08:51 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-25 10:54 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh woodbrian77@gmail.com - 2019-12-21 08:42 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-21 09:25 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-18 11:28 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2019-12-18 20:00 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2019-12-18 22:12 +0200
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-19 08:47 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-12-30 14:03 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2019-12-18 09:47 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-18 11:49 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2019-12-18 12:05 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-18 12:19 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2019-12-16 21:13 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-17 09:38 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2019-12-17 09:14 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2019-12-17 17:50 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-16 09:35 +0100
              Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2019-12-15 20:48 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-16 09:55 +0000
            Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-12-15 11:12 +0000
            Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2019-12-15 06:53 -0800
              Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-15 16:48 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2019-12-15 09:10 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-15 18:33 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2019-12-15 19:29 +0000
              Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-12-15 23:38 -0500
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-15 21:23 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2019-12-15 21:36 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-15 21:43 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-16 09:44 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-12-16 12:10 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-16 16:21 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2019-12-16 10:54 -0600
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2019-12-16 10:47 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-16 11:19 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-16 21:15 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2019-12-16 22:23 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-17 09:31 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2019-12-16 23:23 -0600
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2019-12-16 21:45 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2019-12-16 23:20 -0600
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2019-12-17 21:56 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-12-16 22:06 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-12-16 19:42 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2019-12-16 11:56 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-16 21:18 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-12-16 21:03 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-17 00:04 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-12-17 01:06 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-17 14:51 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-12-16 07:25 -0500
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Bo Persson <bo@bo-persson.se> - 2019-12-16 14:13 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-16 16:32 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2019-12-16 10:52 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-16 21:24 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-16 10:56 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-12-16 20:45 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-16 22:00 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-12-17 04:07 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-17 15:00 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-12-17 14:44 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-17 15:54 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-12-17 15:52 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2019-12-17 11:51 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-17 22:10 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2019-12-17 22:08 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-18 08:56 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-01-10 08:29 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-12-17 23:55 -0500
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2019-12-18 09:36 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2019-12-16 22:29 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-12-16 22:40 -0500
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-12-16 07:17 -0500
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2019-12-15 21:24 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Bo Persson <bo@bo-persson.se> - 2019-12-16 12:13 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-12-16 07:44 -0500
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2019-12-16 18:53 -0800
          Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-15 09:49 +0000

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