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Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh

From boltar@nowhere.co.uk
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Subject Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh
Date 2019-12-20 16:28 +0000
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On Fri, 20 Dec 2019 04:35:37 -0800 (PST)
=?UTF-8?B?w5bDtiBUaWli?= <ootiib@hot.ee> wrote:
>On Friday, 20 December 2019 11:25:53 UTC+2, bol...@nowhere.co.uk  wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 20:26:55 +0000
>> Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> wrote:
>> >On 19/12/2019 08:42, boltar@nowhere.co.uk wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 19:56:04 +0000
>> >> Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>> On 18/12/2019 19:23, Daniel wrote:
>> >>>> On Wednesday, December 18, 2019 at 2:12:03 PM UTC-5, Mr Flibble wrote:
>> >>>>> On 18/12/2019 16:26, boltar@nowhere.co.uk wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> And you think creating an instance of optional for a function return
>just
>> >
>> >>>>> to signify a valid return value and then having to call a method to get
>
>> >the
>> >>>>> actual contained instance is efficient?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> That isn't using optionals properly
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> You wouldn't use optional for a function return?
>> >>>
>> >>> Ah, I misread what "boltar" said; obviously using them for function
>return
>> >is
>> >>> fine and calling a method to get the contained value is not an issue like
>
>> >>> "boltar" suggests.
>> >> 
>> >> I never said it was an issue, I said it was pointless and inefficient.
>> >
>> >"pointless" : subjective!
>> 
>> If something adds nothing except complexity its pointless.
>> 
>> >"inefficient: compared to what?
>> 
>> Compared to not using it.
>
>But how you "do not use" it?:

How did you manage to write code before? Its just yet more noise.

>5) You use certain "magical" values of your objects to encode
>that it is missing? 
>So LONG_MIN means long is missing and INT_MIN that int is 
>missing and so on? How to make difference between missing
>and known to be empty sd::vector? Again annoyingly error-prone
>approach.

Or you could throw an exception if there's an error and you don't want to
return that as a special value or instance flag. 

Or pass in an error parameter.

>That tends to clearly make it even worse, more confusing and
>likely less efficient. Your own code is like bear trap against
>yourself and your teammates.

How did we manage before 2017. Its a mystery.

>Lot cheaper and cleaner is to use missing state of types that
>already naturally have it (like pointers and floating points)
>and for anything else that may be unknown or missing to use
>std::optional.  

Yeah, lets just create pointless object instances all over the place just
to indicate valid returns. Very efficient. I think you'd like Java.

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Don't be fooled by cpp.sh woodbrian77@gmail.com - 2019-12-13 21:28 -0800
  Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-14 09:23 +0000
    Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2019-12-14 17:19 +0000
      Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-14 09:54 -0800
        Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh woodbrian77@gmail.com - 2019-12-14 12:00 -0800
          Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-14 13:51 -0800
            Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-12-14 22:19 +0000
              Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-14 16:13 -0800
              Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2019-12-15 15:35 +0000
        Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-12-14 22:17 +0000
          Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-14 16:03 -0800
            Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2019-12-15 15:41 +1300
              Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-12-14 22:55 -0800
            Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-15 09:53 +0000
              Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-12-15 11:18 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-15 16:44 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-12-15 20:49 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-12-15 15:11 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-12-15 23:28 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-15 15:41 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-12-16 05:18 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-16 10:46 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-16 09:57 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-16 10:21 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-17 09:37 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2019-12-17 15:13 +0200
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-17 14:12 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2019-12-17 19:35 +0200
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-18 16:14 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-17 08:32 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-18 16:26 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2019-12-18 19:11 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2019-12-18 11:23 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-18 11:31 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2019-12-18 19:56 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-19 08:42 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2019-12-19 20:26 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-20 09:25 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-20 04:35 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-20 16:28 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-20 10:36 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-21 16:33 +0000
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                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-21 17:22 +0000
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                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2019-12-21 21:21 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-21 14:30 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2019-12-22 21:36 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-22 15:05 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-22 17:03 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Mr Flibble <flibble@i42.removethisbit.co.uk> - 2019-12-22 17:46 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-12-22 18:07 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-23 16:23 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Mr Flibble <flibble@i42.removethisbit.co.uk> - 2019-12-23 16:33 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-23 16:46 +0000
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                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.org - 2019-12-28 12:05 +0000
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                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2020-01-05 12:31 -0600
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-01-05 20:11 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2020-01-05 11:22 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2020-01-05 21:07 -0600
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-01-05 20:40 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2020-01-06 18:08 -0600
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2020-01-06 23:17 -0500
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-01-07 08:37 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-01-10 14:51 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-01-07 08:28 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-01-10 14:19 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-01-01 23:15 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.org - 2020-01-02 09:33 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-01-02 12:16 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Chris Vine <chris@cvine--nospam--.freeserve.co.uk> - 2019-12-31 18:14 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-12-31 19:16 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Chris Vine <chris@cvine--nospam--.freeserve.co.uk> - 2019-12-31 18:48 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2019-12-31 12:29 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.org - 2020-01-01 09:17 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-30 16:32 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Bo Persson <bo@bo-persson.se> - 2019-12-30 14:57 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.org - 2019-12-31 09:23 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-12-30 22:16 -0500
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2019-12-30 20:30 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-01-10 21:12 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2019-12-30 20:07 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-12-30 13:50 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2020-01-01 08:11 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.org - 2020-01-02 09:28 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-01-10 21:26 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Chris Vine <chris@cvine--nospam--.freeserve.co.uk> - 2019-12-29 11:31 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.org - 2019-12-29 18:35 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Mr Flibble <flibble@i42.removethisbit.co.uk> - 2019-12-29 18:40 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.org - 2019-12-30 10:12 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-12-30 14:10 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2019-12-29 12:11 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2019-12-29 22:20 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-30 01:23 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Chris Vine <chris@cvine--nospam--.freeserve.co.uk> - 2019-12-30 15:54 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Mr Flibble <flibble@i42.removethisbit.co.uk> - 2019-12-30 17:07 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Chris Vine <chris@cvine--nospam--.freeserve.co.uk> - 2019-12-30 19:58 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Chris Vine <chris@cvine--nospam--.freeserve.co.uk> - 2019-12-30 23:59 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-12-30 21:23 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2019-12-28 18:09 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Mr Flibble <flibble@i42.removethisbit.co.uk> - 2019-12-26 18:30 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.org - 2019-12-27 17:17 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-27 09:58 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.org - 2019-12-28 12:06 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-28 08:39 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.org - 2019-12-28 16:57 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Pavel <pauldontspamtolk@removeyourself.dontspam.yahoo> - 2020-01-02 23:18 -0500
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2019-12-26 10:54 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2019-12-26 22:50 +0200
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2019-12-26 10:38 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh woodbrian77@gmail.com - 2019-12-24 17:52 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-24 23:53 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh woodbrian77@gmail.com - 2019-12-25 08:51 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-25 10:54 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh woodbrian77@gmail.com - 2019-12-21 08:42 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-21 09:25 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-18 11:28 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2019-12-18 20:00 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Paavo Helde <myfirstname@osa.pri.ee> - 2019-12-18 22:12 +0200
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-19 08:47 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2019-12-30 14:03 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2019-12-18 09:47 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-18 11:49 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2019-12-18 12:05 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-18 12:19 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2019-12-16 21:13 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-17 09:38 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2019-12-17 09:14 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2019-12-17 17:50 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-16 09:35 +0100
              Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Mr Flibble <flibbleREMOVETHISBIT@i42.co.uk> - 2019-12-15 20:48 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-16 09:55 +0000
            Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2019-12-15 11:12 +0000
            Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2019-12-15 06:53 -0800
              Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-15 16:48 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2019-12-15 09:10 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-15 18:33 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2019-12-15 19:29 +0000
              Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-12-15 23:38 -0500
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-15 21:23 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2019-12-15 21:36 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-15 21:43 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-16 09:44 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-12-16 12:10 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-16 16:21 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2019-12-16 10:54 -0600
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2019-12-16 10:47 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-16 11:19 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-16 21:15 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2019-12-16 22:23 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-17 09:31 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2019-12-16 23:23 -0600
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2019-12-16 21:45 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2019-12-16 23:20 -0600
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2019-12-17 21:56 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-12-16 22:06 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2019-12-16 19:42 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2019-12-16 11:56 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-16 21:18 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-12-16 21:03 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-17 00:04 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2019-12-17 01:06 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-17 14:51 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-12-16 07:25 -0500
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Bo Persson <bo@bo-persson.se> - 2019-12-16 14:13 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-16 16:32 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2019-12-16 10:52 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-16 21:24 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2019-12-16 10:56 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-12-16 20:45 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-16 22:00 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-12-17 04:07 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-17 15:00 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-12-17 14:44 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-17 15:54 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2019-12-17 15:52 +0000
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2019-12-17 11:51 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-17 22:10 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2019-12-17 22:08 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2019-12-18 08:56 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2020-01-10 08:29 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-12-17 23:55 -0500
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2019-12-18 09:36 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2019-12-16 22:29 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-12-16 22:40 -0500
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-12-16 07:17 -0500
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2019-12-15 21:24 -0800
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Bo Persson <bo@bo-persson.se> - 2019-12-16 12:13 +0100
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2019-12-16 07:44 -0500
                Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh Daniel <danielaparker@gmail.com> - 2019-12-16 18:53 -0800
          Re: Don't be fooled by cpp.sh boltar@nowhere.co.uk - 2019-12-15 09:49 +0000

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