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| From | Manfred <noname@add.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.c++, comp.lang.c |
| Subject | Re: NIHS (Was: "Microsoft Exploring Rust as the Solution for Safe Software") |
| Date | 2019-12-03 17:13 +0100 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
| Message-ID | <qs61jv$1j0m$1@gioia.aioe.org> (permalink) |
| References | (1 earlier) <qs4qb5$1qt5$1@gioia.aioe.org> <qs5aik$sjo$3@news.xmission.com> <qs5e3e$91s$1@dont-email.me> <qs5h5n$i9$1@news.xmission.com> <qs5un1$9tu$1@dont-email.me> |
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On 12/3/2019 4:24 PM, David Brown wrote: > On 03/12/2019 12:33, Kenny McCormack wrote: >> In article <qs5e3e$91s$1@dont-email.me>, >> David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> wrote: >> ... >>>> >>>> Not Invented Here Syndrome. >>> >>> Not /Controlled/ Here Syndrome. >>> >>> MS were quite happy to support Java as long as they could make their own >>> incompatible version. When the courts said they were not allowed to do >>> that (and still call it "Java"), they went off in a huff and made C# as >>> their own alternative to Java which /they/ controlled. >> >> Well, they controlled it because they had invented it. > > Actually, I believe a fair amount of the work on dotnet / CLR was by > Borland originally, within their Delphi range. But I am not sure about > that (and it's getting a good deal off-topic here, even though they made > C++ compilers). C# was developed "originally" by Microsoft, but the lead architect of the project was (still is?) Anders Hejlsberg, who formerly was the chief architect of Turbo Pascal and Delphi at Borland. > >> >> I don't think we really disagree much here. > > Not much, no, but you have the logic reversed. It is not "MS made C#, > so they get to control that language" - it is "MS wanted a language they > controlled, so they made C#". Sounds pretty much like two sides of the same story. Bottom line is that they control the runtime, so they ensure that C# applications need the Windows ecosystem to run (Mono looks far too limited as far as I have seen). > >> >> P.S. People often talk as if C# was invented by itself, as a standalone >> language. In fact, C# is just one member of the .NET/CLR family. I think >> of VB.NET as the primary .NET language. I suppose C# comes next after VB. >> > I think VB.NET was the primary target from the marketing point of view, i.e. VB is a huge market for Microsoft, thus of primary relevance. I doubt that C# can be seen as a derivative of VB.NET (which I know little about, I have to admit), although contamination is evident. I think it is mostly because of the need for interoperability, rather than language derivation, though - one of the goals of C# was to talk easily with VB and remove the complexity of COM.
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