Re: Catalina is Out!

From	Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com>
Newsgroups	uk.comp.sys.mac
Subject	Re: Catalina is Out!
Date	2019-10-10 16:28 -0400
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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On 2019-10-10 07:34, whisky-dave wrote:
> On Wednesday, 9 October 2019 21:37:35 UTC+1, Panthera Tigris Altaica  wrote:
>> On 2019-10-09 07:06, whisky-dave wrote:
> 
> 
>>> No it's an iOS device the two are quite differnt, if you understand a bit about technologies.
>>
>> Both iOS and macOS are variants of UNIX.
> 
> A ex student 20 years ago went to work for mclaren as a software designer for formual 1 race cars. Does that make formula 1 race cars computers ?

No. They may _contain_ computers.

> 
> The very first computers did NOT run on UNIX.

Non sequitur. I'm fairly sure that I did not say that they did.

> 
> 
>> iOS devices are far more
>> powerful computers than were the machines I upon which I first
>> encountered UNIX (HP-UX, for those interested in antiques) and are far
>> more powerful computers than desktop Macs from the early 21st century.
>> Even an Apple Watch is more powerful than, say, a PowerMac G4. Saying
>> that iOS devices are not computers is... foolish.
> 
>   and heres a 2000 year old conmputer, but you can't put catalina on it.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T1n7RjCMfQ

As it's not an _Apple_ computer, I fail to see the relevance.

> 
> 
>>
>>> What about an ipod is that also a computer and a smartphone and a tablet.
>>
>> It's a computer.
> 
> So is a dog 

No.

>you can give it command and sometime it'll carry out those command on other occasions all yuo get is shit, simialr to wiondows computers.
> 
> That makes a Dog a computer does it.

No. Computers are mechanical or electromechanical or electronic devices 
which do input, output, processing and storage. Dogs don't qualify.

> 
>   
>>> For most there are definitions between devices that are for some seem very alike. Is a washing machine microwave oven and a TV also computer ?
>>
>> Some washing machines are computers,
> 
> No they are programable washing machines that have microprocessor.

I disagree.

> 
> Dog shit is food for flies so why don't we call dog shit food
> dogs also eat dog shit, why donlt we call it food.?

See earlier.

> 
>>> Therefor a bus can be the same as a train which is the same as a car, which is the same as a carriage, which is the same as a coach, which is the same as a wagon, which is the same as a bike or bicycle, because all are modes of transport.
>>>
>>
>> No. There are fundamental differences. Some (trains) have their own
>> right of way. Some (wagons) are not self-propelled. Buses and cars are
>> variations on self-propelled wheeled vehicles which operate on shared
>> public roadways.
> 
> which is why we call them differnt things, just like those that know will call a thing by the use they will put it to.

It appears that you simply refuse to admit that iOS devices are not 
merely computers, they are _powerful_ computers. Your loss.

> 
>

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Catalina is Out! Ian DALGLEISH <ianmethyl@gmail.com> - 2019-10-07 18:30 +0100
  Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-07 17:59 +0000
  Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-07 23:04 +0100
  Re: Catalina is Out! deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk> - 2019-10-08 07:23 +0100
    Re: Catalina is Out! Martin S Taylor <correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIySlor.com> - 2019-10-08 09:36 +0100
  Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-08 07:18 +0000
    Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-08 08:36 +0100
      Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-08 07:14 -0400
        Re: Catalina is Out! deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk> - 2019-10-08 14:53 +0100
          Re: Catalina is Out! Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2019-10-08 14:55 +0100
          Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-08 09:57 -0400
            Re: Catalina is Out! deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk> - 2019-10-08 16:04 +0100
              Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-08 11:25 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2019-10-08 16:35 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-08 12:14 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2019-10-08 16:28 +0000
                Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-08 12:36 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-09 03:42 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2019-10-08 17:21 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2019-10-08 17:44 +0100
                Boxer 64 bit (was Re: Catalina is Out!) Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2019-10-08 18:19 +0100
                Re: Boxer 64 bit (was Re: Catalina is Out!) Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2019-10-09 01:12 +0100
                Re: Boxer 64 bit (was Re: Catalina is Out!) deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk> - 2019-10-09 11:48 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk> - 2019-10-09 11:24 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk> - 2019-10-09 11:25 +0100
        Re: Catalina is Out! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2019-10-08 08:15 -0700
          Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-08 11:25 -0400
            Re: Catalina is Out! Sidney Carton <SC@gmail.invalid> - 2019-10-08 16:41 +0100
              Re: Catalina is Out! Fred <fredbare@[127.0.0.1]> - 2019-10-08 17:06 +0100
              Re: Catalina is Out! Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2019-10-08 17:08 +0100
              Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-08 12:14 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-08 20:42 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-08 16:06 -0400
                Mistaken ID (was - Catalina is Out!) ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-08 21:15 +0100
                Re: Mistaken ID (was - Catalina is Out!) ~BD~ <BD@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-10-13 11:43 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-09 03:50 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-09 12:46 +0100
              Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-09 14:52 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-09 19:57 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-09 16:26 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-09 15:04 -0400
          Re: Catalina is Out! Alan  B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-08 15:48 +0000
          Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-08 19:55 +0000
            Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-12 08:56 +0000
              Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-12 09:13 +0000
                Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-13 10:50 +0000
      Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-08 16:46 -0400
        Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-08 22:07 +0100
          Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-08 17:35 -0400
            Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-09 13:02 +0100
              Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-09 16:27 -0400
          Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-09 18:31 +0100
            Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-09 14:17 -0400
              Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-09 21:26 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-09 16:54 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-09 22:24 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-10 07:44 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 05:50 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-10 15:41 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-10 11:35 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> - 2019-10-10 17:52 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-10 12:55 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 02:46 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> - 2019-10-11 11:28 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Sara Merriman <saramerriman@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2019-10-11 12:04 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 13:03 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 05:05 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> - 2019-10-11 13:09 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-10 18:01 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-10 13:15 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-10 18:36 +0000
                Re: Catalina is Out! Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2019-10-10 20:24 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> - 2019-10-11 06:11 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 03:17 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-11 16:45 +0100
              Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 04:20 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-10 12:46 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-10 15:34 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 08:07 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-10 16:18 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 02:40 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-11 16:40 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 09:03 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-11 17:13 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-14 03:04 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-14 16:07 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2019-10-14 08:14 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-14 20:23 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-14 20:32 +0100
                Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-10-14 17:31 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-14 20:24 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-10-14 20:29 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-14 21:44 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Alan  B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-14 20:49 +0000
                Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-14 22:05 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Alan  B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-14 21:26 +0000
                Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-10-14 23:39 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> - 2019-10-11 17:48 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> - 2019-10-10 16:29 +0100
            Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-09 22:33 +0100
            Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 04:14 -0700
              Re: Catalina is Out! Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> - 2019-10-10 12:25 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 04:37 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-10 07:44 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> - 2019-10-10 12:46 +0100
              Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-10 15:28 +0100
        Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-09 04:06 -0700
          Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-09 07:09 -0400
            Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-09 12:50 +0100
              Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-09 07:58 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-09 13:05 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-09 08:33 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-09 12:17 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 04:08 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-10 07:44 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-11 10:48 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 08:45 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-11 20:01 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-11 11:49 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-14 02:50 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2019-10-11 15:51 +0000
                Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-11 12:15 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2019-10-09 09:25 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-09 22:39 +0100
          Re: Catalina is Out! Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2019-10-09 17:03 +0100
            Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 03:58 -0700
              Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-10 07:44 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 05:52 -0700
          Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-09 16:39 -0400
            Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 04:34 -0700
              Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-10 16:28 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 03:20 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-11 10:02 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 08:41 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-11 20:12 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-11 16:31 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-11 21:54 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-10-15 10:51 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-11 19:42 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> - 2019-10-12 15:11 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <Bo@ter.nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-12 16:34 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-16 13:07 -0400
  Re: Catalina is Out! Ian DALGLEISH <ianmethyl@gmail.com> - 2019-10-08 09:09 +0100
    Re: Catalina is Out! Martin S Taylor <correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIySlor.com> - 2019-10-08 09:41 +0100
      Re: Catalina is Out! Ian DALGLEISH <ianmethyl@gmail.com> - 2019-10-08 10:25 +0100
    Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-08 09:03 +0000
      Re: Catalina is Out! Ian DALGLEISH <ianmethyl@gmail.com> - 2019-10-08 10:23 +0100
        Re: Catalina is Out! Alan  B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-08 10:13 +0000
          Re: Catalina is Out! Ian DALGLEISH <ianmethyl@gmail.com> - 2019-10-08 13:34 +0100
            Re: Catalina is Out! Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2019-10-08 14:29 +0100
            Re: Catalina is Out! Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2019-10-08 14:53 +0100
  Re: Catalina is Out! Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2019-10-09 00:26 +0100
    Re: Catalina is Out! Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2019-10-09 01:13 +0100
    Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-08 19:33 -0400
    Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-09 18:32 +0100
      Re: Catalina is Out! Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2019-10-09 19:31 +0100
        Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-09 19:05 +0000
          Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-09 15:09 -0400
            Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-09 19:13 +0000
              Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-09 15:18 -0400
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