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Re: Catalina is Out!

From Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com>
Newsgroups uk.comp.sys.mac
Subject Re: Catalina is Out!
Date 2019-10-09 18:31 +0100
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
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On 08/10/2019 22:07, ~BD~ wrote:

> Whilst most folk think you are correct, I much prefer THIS expression:-
> 
> "An iOS device is *an electronic gadget* that runs on iOS."

Bloody hell guys, you're all idiots.

An iOS device is a electronic device that iOS run on. Even that 
specifically is just iPhones with the current version, if you really 
want to be pedantic. Of course we also now have iPadOS devices too.

Apart from that, you're all arguing on a point of context and naming of 
devices which are all neither right nor wrong, and at the same time both 
right and wrong.

In such cases it would be expected to agree a 'house' convention to 
decide how to describe such things.

To me, a handheld or portable device is normally not considered a 
'computer' in the traditional sense. For one thing they do NOT usually 
have all the capabilities of a full size desktop machine. Screen size 
and keyboard functionality for a start, storage space and connectivity 
capabilities and so on, and processor performance (including GPU etc).
Of course they can do an awful lot of what most users need, but IMHO 
nothing like as easily or with as efficient workflows.

If you really want to define 'computer' to the silliest level, start 
counting on your fingers - where do you thing the term 'digital' came from?

-- 
Andy Hewitt

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Catalina is Out! Ian DALGLEISH <ianmethyl@gmail.com> - 2019-10-07 18:30 +0100
  Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-07 17:59 +0000
  Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-07 23:04 +0100
  Re: Catalina is Out! deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk> - 2019-10-08 07:23 +0100
    Re: Catalina is Out! Martin S Taylor <correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIySlor.com> - 2019-10-08 09:36 +0100
  Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-08 07:18 +0000
    Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-08 08:36 +0100
      Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-08 07:14 -0400
        Re: Catalina is Out! deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk> - 2019-10-08 14:53 +0100
          Re: Catalina is Out! Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2019-10-08 14:55 +0100
          Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-08 09:57 -0400
            Re: Catalina is Out! deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk> - 2019-10-08 16:04 +0100
              Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-08 11:25 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2019-10-08 16:35 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-08 12:14 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2019-10-08 16:28 +0000
                Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-08 12:36 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-09 03:42 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2019-10-08 17:21 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2019-10-08 17:44 +0100
                Boxer 64 bit (was Re: Catalina is Out!) Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2019-10-08 18:19 +0100
                Re: Boxer 64 bit (was Re: Catalina is Out!) Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2019-10-09 01:12 +0100
                Re: Boxer 64 bit (was Re: Catalina is Out!) deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk> - 2019-10-09 11:48 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk> - 2019-10-09 11:24 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! deKay <andyk@lofi-gaming.org.uk> - 2019-10-09 11:25 +0100
        Re: Catalina is Out! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2019-10-08 08:15 -0700
          Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-08 11:25 -0400
            Re: Catalina is Out! Sidney Carton <SC@gmail.invalid> - 2019-10-08 16:41 +0100
              Re: Catalina is Out! Fred <fredbare@[127.0.0.1]> - 2019-10-08 17:06 +0100
              Re: Catalina is Out! Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2019-10-08 17:08 +0100
              Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-08 12:14 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-08 20:42 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-08 16:06 -0400
                Mistaken ID (was - Catalina is Out!) ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-08 21:15 +0100
                Re: Mistaken ID (was - Catalina is Out!) ~BD~ <BD@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-10-13 11:43 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-09 03:50 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-09 12:46 +0100
              Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-09 14:52 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-09 19:57 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-09 16:26 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-09 15:04 -0400
          Re: Catalina is Out! Alan  B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-08 15:48 +0000
          Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-08 19:55 +0000
            Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-12 08:56 +0000
              Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-12 09:13 +0000
                Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-13 10:50 +0000
      Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-08 16:46 -0400
        Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-08 22:07 +0100
          Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-08 17:35 -0400
            Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-09 13:02 +0100
              Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-09 16:27 -0400
          Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-09 18:31 +0100
            Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-09 14:17 -0400
              Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-09 21:26 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-09 16:54 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-09 22:24 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-10 07:44 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 05:50 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-10 15:41 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-10 11:35 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> - 2019-10-10 17:52 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-10 12:55 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 02:46 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> - 2019-10-11 11:28 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Sara Merriman <saramerriman@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2019-10-11 12:04 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 13:03 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 05:05 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> - 2019-10-11 13:09 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-10 18:01 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-10 13:15 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-10 18:36 +0000
                Re: Catalina is Out! Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2019-10-10 20:24 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> - 2019-10-11 06:11 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 03:17 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-11 16:45 +0100
              Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 04:20 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-10 12:46 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-10 15:34 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 08:07 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-10 16:18 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 02:40 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-11 16:40 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 09:03 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-11 17:13 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-14 03:04 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-14 16:07 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2019-10-14 08:14 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-14 20:23 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-14 20:32 +0100
                Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-10-14 17:31 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-14 20:24 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-10-14 20:29 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-14 21:44 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Alan  B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-14 20:49 +0000
                Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-14 22:05 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Alan  B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-14 21:26 +0000
                Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-10-14 23:39 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> - 2019-10-11 17:48 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> - 2019-10-10 16:29 +0100
            Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-09 22:33 +0100
            Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 04:14 -0700
              Re: Catalina is Out! Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> - 2019-10-10 12:25 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 04:37 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-10 07:44 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> - 2019-10-10 12:46 +0100
              Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-10 15:28 +0100
        Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-09 04:06 -0700
          Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-09 07:09 -0400
            Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-09 12:50 +0100
              Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-09 07:58 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-09 13:05 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-09 08:33 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-09 12:17 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 04:08 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-10 07:44 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-11 10:48 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 08:45 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-11 20:01 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-11 11:49 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-14 02:50 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2019-10-11 15:51 +0000
                Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-11 12:15 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2019-10-09 09:25 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-09 22:39 +0100
          Re: Catalina is Out! Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2019-10-09 17:03 +0100
            Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 03:58 -0700
              Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-10 07:44 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 05:52 -0700
          Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-09 16:39 -0400
            Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-10 04:34 -0700
              Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-10 16:28 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 03:20 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-11 10:02 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-11 08:41 -0700
                Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-11 20:12 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-11 16:31 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-11 21:54 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <BD@nomail.afraid.org> - 2019-10-15 10:51 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-11 19:42 -0400
                Re: Catalina is Out! RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> - 2019-10-12 15:11 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! ~BD~ <Bo@ter.nomail.invalid> - 2019-10-12 16:34 +0100
                Re: Catalina is Out! Panthera Tigris Altaica <northerntiger@outlook.com> - 2019-10-16 13:07 -0400
  Re: Catalina is Out! Ian DALGLEISH <ianmethyl@gmail.com> - 2019-10-08 09:09 +0100
    Re: Catalina is Out! Martin S Taylor <correspondence@mRaErMtOiVnEsTtHaIySlor.com> - 2019-10-08 09:41 +0100
      Re: Catalina is Out! Ian DALGLEISH <ianmethyl@gmail.com> - 2019-10-08 10:25 +0100
    Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-08 09:03 +0000
      Re: Catalina is Out! Ian DALGLEISH <ianmethyl@gmail.com> - 2019-10-08 10:23 +0100
        Re: Catalina is Out! Alan  B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-08 10:13 +0000
          Re: Catalina is Out! Ian DALGLEISH <ianmethyl@gmail.com> - 2019-10-08 13:34 +0100
            Re: Catalina is Out! Ian McCall <ian@eruvia.org> - 2019-10-08 14:29 +0100
            Re: Catalina is Out! Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2019-10-08 14:53 +0100
  Re: Catalina is Out! Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2019-10-09 00:26 +0100
    Re: Catalina is Out! Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2019-10-09 01:13 +0100
    Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-08 19:33 -0400
    Re: Catalina is Out! Andy Hewitt <thewildrover@icloud.com> - 2019-10-09 18:32 +0100
      Re: Catalina is Out! Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> - 2019-10-09 19:31 +0100
        Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-09 19:05 +0000
          Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-09 15:09 -0400
            Re: Catalina is Out! Alan B <alanrichardbarker@nospamgmail.com.here> - 2019-10-09 19:13 +0000
              Re: Catalina is Out! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-10-09 15:18 -0400
  Re: Catalina is Out! Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2019-10-08 18:10 +0100
  Re: Catalina is Out! Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> - 2019-10-16 22:15 +0000
    Re: Catalina is Out! whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> - 2019-10-17 05:05 -0700
      Re: Catalina is Out! Mark <captain.black@gmail.com> - 2019-10-17 12:09 +0000

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