Re: [Link Posting] Systemd invasion into Linux Server space - RHEL 7 as Red Hat fiasco

From	Steve555 <Steve555@bogus.nodomain.nowhere.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.misc
Subject	Re: [Link Posting] Systemd invasion into Linux Server space - RHEL 7 as Red Hat fiasco
Date	2019-06-15 19:55 +0000
Organization	An 8-pin DIL timer IC
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On 2019-05-01, Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> wrote:
> RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 01 May 2019 16:43:07 +0000 (UTC)
>> Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> >  Systemd represents an alarming, but pretty understandable trend in linux
>>> >  world -- 
>> 
>> Ladies, gents, FreeBSD is right over here --->
>> 
>> If you prefer the classic approach to Unix, that's what FreeBSD (still)
>> provides.  Lots of complicated init scripts and all!  I happen to like
>> Linux on my laptop, but love FreeBSD on my server.
>> 
>> The word "fiasco" in the title gives this one away as clickbait, I'd
>> say.  If you want a fiasco, look no further than American government.
>> Systemd is just tech.
>
> Or Slackware which uses sysvinit but BSD style scripts for the most
> part.
>
Slackware here too :-)  Using windowmaker as the desktop, and xterm as
the primary interface.  I love wmaker; I think it's very underrated.
I also run FreeBSD, again with windowmaker.  
After reading this thread, I'm going to try out devuan some time.

My primary objection to systemd is the 'monolithic' breakage of unix 
design philosoply, and the power it gives to redhat over the future 
direction of linux, through lock-in.

The systemd lock-in is extended to gnome 3 applications.  If you 
write for gnome 3, you automatically create a dependency on systemd.
That software becomes much harder to port to a non-systemd linux.  If users
want to use those programs, they must switch to a distro that uses systemd.

AFAIK kde plasma is still independent of systemd, although I could be wrong.

Steve555

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[Link Posting] Systemd invasion into Linux Server space - RHEL 7 as Red Hat fiasco Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-05-01 16:43 +0000
  Re: [Link Posting] Systemd invasion into Linux Server space - RHEL 7 as Red Hat fiasco Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2019-05-01 20:16 +0300
    Re: [Link Posting] Systemd invasion into Linux Server space - RHEL 7 as Red Hat fiasco kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2019-05-01 17:37 -0400
      Re: [Link Posting] Systemd invasion into Linux Server space - RHEL 7 as Red Hat fiasco Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-05-01 22:57 +0000
        Re: [Link Posting] Systemd invasion into Linux Server space - RHEL 7 as Red Hat fiasco kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2019-05-04 15:43 -0400
          Re: [Link Posting] Systemd invasion into Linux Server space - RHEL 7 as Red Hat fiasco Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2019-05-07 01:00 +0000
      Re: [Link Posting] Systemd invasion into Linux Server space - RHEL 7 as Red Hat fiasco RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-05-01 21:08 -0400
        Re: [Link Posting] Systemd invasion into Linux Server space - RHEL 7 as Red Hat fiasco arnold@skeeve.com (Aharon Robbins) - 2019-05-02 10:01 +0000
          Re: [Link Posting] Systemd invasion into Linux Server space - RHEL 7 as Red Hat fiasco Steve555 <Steve555@reallybogus.nodomain.nowhere.invalid> - 2019-06-19 16:26 +0000
        Re: [Link Posting] Systemd invasion into Linux Server space - RHEL 7 as Red Hat fiasco Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-05-02 15:56 +0000
          Re: [Link Posting] Systemd invasion into Linux Server space - RHEL 7 as Red Hat fiasco RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-05-02 20:49 -0400
            Re: [Link Posting] Systemd invasion into Linux Server space - RHEL 7 as Red Hat fiasco Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-05-03 15:51 +0000
            Re: [Link Posting] Systemd invasion into Linux Server space - RHEL 7 as Red Hat fiasco Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2019-05-03 10:14 +0300
        Re: [Link Posting] Systemd invasion into Linux Server space - RHEL 7 as Red Hat fiasco Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2019-05-02 20:19 +0000
          Re: [Link Posting] Systemd invasion into Linux Server space - RHEL 7 as Red Hat fiasco RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-05-02 20:50 -0400
            Re: [Link Posting] Systemd invasion into Linux Server space - RHEL 7 as Red Hat fiasco ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2019-05-03 23:16 -0500
          Re: [Link Posting] Systemd invasion into Linux Server space - RHEL 7 as Red Hat fiasco Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2019-05-03 08:16 +0100
  Re: [Link Posting] Systemd invasion into Linux Server space - RHEL 7 as Red Hat fiasco Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2019-05-01 13:59 -0400
    Re: [Link Posting] Systemd invasion into Linux Server space - RHEL 7 as Red Hat fiasco Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-05-01 18:23 +0000
      Re: [Link Posting] Systemd invasion into Linux Server space - RHEL 7 as Red Hat fiasco Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2019-05-01 17:14 -0400
  Re: [Link Posting] Systemd invasion into Linux Server space - RHEL 7 as Red Hat fiasco RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2019-05-01 15:55 -0400
    Re: [Link Posting] Systemd invasion into Linux Server space - RHEL 7 as Red Hat fiasco Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2019-05-01 20:28 +0000
      Re: [Link Posting] Systemd invasion into Linux Server space - RHEL 7 as Red Hat fiasco Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2019-05-01 21:49 -0300
      Re: [Link Posting] Systemd invasion into Linux Server space - RHEL 7 as Red Hat fiasco Steve555 <Steve555@bogus.nodomain.nowhere.invalid> - 2019-06-15 19:55 +0000
        Re: [Link Posting] Systemd invasion into Linux Server space - RHEL 7 as Red Hat fiasco scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2019-06-17 16:49 +0000
          Re: [Link Posting] Systemd invasion into Linux Server space - RHEL 7 as Red Hat fiasco Steve555 <Steve555@reallybogus.nodomain.nowhere.invalid> - 2019-06-19 16:43 +0000
            Re: [Link Posting] Systemd invasion into Linux Server space - RHEL 7 as Red Hat fiasco Bob Eager <news0073@eager.cx> - 2019-06-19 20:17 +0000
    Re: [Link Posting] Systemd invasion into Linux Server space - RHEL 7 as Red Hat fiasco Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2019-05-01 21:18 +0000
    Re: [Link Posting] Systemd invasion into Linux Server space - RHEL 7 as Red Hat fiasco not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2019-05-02 23:31 +0000

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