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Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy

From Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Newsgroups misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.os.linux, alt.privacy.anon-server, comp.mobile.android
Subject Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy
Date 2019-02-09 17:40 +0000
Organization NOYB
Message-ID <q3n6rf.74c.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> (permalink)
References (6 earlier) <q3ifpv$nv1$2@dont-email.me> <q3jcg8$mrg$1@dont-email.me> <q3krvb$k04$1@dont-email.me> <q3mq4j$akb$1@dont-email.me> <q3n21e$mij$2@dont-email.me>

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William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:
> On 2019-02-09, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> > William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:
> >> On 2019-02-08, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> wrote:
> >>>> On 2019-02-07, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2/6/19 5:24 PM, William Unruh wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 2019-02-06, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> In article <q3dlkf$e4a$1@news.neodome.i2p>, <anon@anon.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> Apparently, we will have it in April 2019. Anyone planning
> >>>>>>>>>> to buy one?
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/
> >>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>> dead on arrival. no carrier support, no apps and numerous
> >>>>>>>>> false claims.
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Carrier support isn't required. Just pop a SIM in and you're
> >>>>>>>> good to go.
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Of course it is. The phone has to operate on the frequency/type band
> >>>>>>> that the carrier operates on.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> In most countries, including US, there is an standard for the
> >>>>>> whole nation (the only exception I can think of is China), so
> >>>>>> there is little need for traditional carrier support.
> >>>>>> Sure if you can get carriers to promote the phone, that would help.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Yep. In the uk i can buy any retail phone and it'll work on any network.
> >>>>> There are some exceptions with 2G phones or grey imports. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> a) that is because in the UK., they want to sell phones to everyone, and
> >>>> so make sure they support UK phones. Then you go to Spain or Maroco, or
> >>>> USA and find your phone is as useful as brick. 
> >>> 
> >>> You know, the concept of travel has not escaped the notice of phone
> >>> manufacturers. I have been to all those countries with no ill effects. 
> >>> 
> >> That is because you bought a phone which covers the appropriate bands,
> >> or maybe you just used 2G (which is being phased out all over the
> >> world). Apple has almost always had support on almost all te 3G and 4G
> >> bands. Other phones not necessarily. To bring us back to the topic, this 
> >> phone tells you nothing about which bands it covers. Ie, you could well
> >> have trouble if you use it outside of its country.
> >> 
> >> And I have been to many countries with my smart phone and had trouble. 
> >> For example my Hauwei Y6 which I bought in the UK cannot work on ATT in
> >> the US at all (ATT does not have 2G and my phone's bands do not
> >> correspond to ATT's bands. And there are about 3 or 4 versions of the Y6
> >> each of which covers different bands (My wife's, bought in Canada does
> >> work on ATT in the US, but not very well)
> >> 
> >> In Japan the problem is that you cannot buy a Sim there except for data.
> >> To get a "talking sim" you need a Japanese contract, 2 years minimum. 
> >
> > None of the above has anything to do with carrier support of a particular
> > phone. Which is the original claim i responded to. 
> >
> > Sure a phone will only work with networks that have bands that it supports
> > yet most phones cover most bands. Which is sufficient for going to the
> 
> Sorry, this is not correct. Most phones do NOT cover most bands. Must
> phones sold in country X cover most bands in use in country X. But look
> at the band coverage of some cheaper phones and you will discover that
> they do not cover most bands. Also manufacturers purposely limit the
> bands so that you cannot buy an Indian phone in the US (or a US phone in
> India) and expect it to work. Expensive ($1000) phone do cover most
> bands around the world, but I raised the issue with respect to the phone
> this thread is all about because they do not tell us what bands it
> covers/will cover. 
> 
> As I pointed out, my Huawei Y6 smartphone  purchased in Europe does not
> cover many of the 4G bands in the US.

  Correction: You did *not* mention 4G. You excluded 2G, but not 3G.

[Repeat/rewind of above quote:]

> >> And I have been to many countries with my smart phone and had trouble. 
> >> For example my Hauwei Y6 which I bought in the UK cannot work on ATT in
> >> the US at all (ATT does not have 2G and my phone's bands do not
> >> correspond to ATT's bands. And there are about 3 or 4 versions of the Y6
> >> each of which covers different bands (My wife's, bought in Canada does
> >> work on ATT in the US, but not very well)

>					and one purchased in Canda does not 
> cover many of the bands in Europe. You may have been lucky if yours did,
> or you bought and expensive phone. 
>  Additionally, phone companies and countries keep coming up with new
>  bands to auction off. If this phone were one that covered all bands,
>  and could adapt itself to new bands when they come up, it would be
>  great. THAT could be a selling point. But Blackberry vs Apple is an
>  example where security lost out to sexyness.
>  
> > majority of countries. If you have very specific needs then you need to be
> > a little more careful with your choice of phone. 
> 
> You mean like wanting to use your phone in the US when you bought it in
> Europe? Is that a specific need?

  Yup, of course it is. See my other response for other examples of
need-to-prepare-for-travel.
  
  "Fsck! They don't even accept/use <insert_currency> here! And not only
that, they also drive on the wrong side of the bloody road! And they
don't even speak <insert_language>! And ..."

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Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy <anon@anon.com> - 2019-02-06 03:52 +0000
  Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-05 23:25 -0500
    Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2019-02-06 08:45 +0000
      Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-06 10:43 -0500
        Re: PureOS and Librem laptops <anon@anon.com> - 2019-02-07 22:39 +0000
          Re: PureOS and Librem laptops nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-07 22:47 -0500
      Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-06 16:24 +0000
        Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2019-02-07 21:43 +0100
          Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2019-02-07 22:56 +0000
            Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-07 23:42 +0000
              Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2019-02-08 07:52 +0000
                Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2019-02-08 02:59 -0600
                Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2019-02-08 13:13 +0100
                Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-08 18:53 +0000
                Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-08 21:27 +0000
                Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-09 16:23 +0000
                Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-09 17:28 +0000
                Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Anonymous <anonymous@hoi-polloi.org> - 2019-02-09 19:01 +0100
                Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-09 18:25 +0000
                Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-09 18:43 +0000
                Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-09 19:53 +0000
                Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2019-02-10 08:38 -0800
                Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-08 21:22 +0000
                Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2019-02-09 15:03 +0000
                Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-09 17:18 +0000
                Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-09 17:40 +0000
                Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-09 18:13 +0000
                Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2019-02-10 08:39 -0800
                Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2019-02-11 22:51 +0000
                Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-09 17:24 +0000
                Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-09 17:38 +0000
                Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-09 17:53 +0000
                Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-09 18:09 +0000
                Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2019-02-09 20:12 +0000
                Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2019-02-09 23:34 +0100
                Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2019-02-10 00:55 +0100
                Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2019-02-09 18:57 +0100
          Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-07 23:40 +0000
            Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2019-02-08 06:51 +0100
        Re: PureOS and Librem laptops <anon@anon.com> - 2019-02-07 22:29 +0000
          Re: PureOS and Librem laptops William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-07 23:46 +0000
          Re: PureOS and Librem laptops nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-02-07 22:47 -0500
  Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy William Unruh <unruh@invalid.ca> - 2019-02-06 04:39 +0000
    PureOS and Librem laptops <anon@anon.com> - 2019-02-06 06:23 +0000
      Re: PureOS and Librem laptops "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-06 07:56 -0600
        Re: PureOS and Librem laptops <anon@anon.com> - 2019-02-07 22:25 +0000
        Re: PureOS and Librem laptops Mitch <m.mac@mixnym.net> - 2019-02-08 14:53 +0800
          Re: PureOS and Librem laptops "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2019-02-08 08:15 -0600
            Re: PureOS and Librem laptops John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2019-02-08 11:03 -0800
            Re: PureOS and Librem laptops Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2019-02-16 13:16 +0100
              Re: PureOS and Librem laptops Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2019-02-16 12:34 -0500
                Re: PureOS and Librem laptops John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2019-02-16 12:32 -0800
  Re: Linux-based smartphone focused on privacy befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2019-02-06 12:05 +0100

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