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Re: Where to locate software

From Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch>
Newsgroups comp.os.vms
Subject Re: Where to locate software
Date 2016-06-13 16:34 +0200
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On 2016-06-13, Bob Koehler <koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org> wrote:
> In article <njf679$64n$1@dont-email.me>, Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> writes:
>> 
>> If by "large", you mean more than a half-dozen or so servers involved, 
>> sure.   OpenVMS servers are installed one at a time.
>
> [...]
>>   Managed one at a time. 
> [...]
>> Startups and shutdowns are edited one at a time.
>
>    Not in the clusters I managed.

FWIW I was writing startup and shutdown procedures in a customer-independent
way back in the 80s, before clustering was generally available.

The RM05 exchangeable disk mount routines, for example, didn't care in
which physical drive a pack was mounted - MOUNT/NOASSIST/NOWRITE/OVERRIDE=ID
was used to find out which pack was where, and then mount it with the
appropriate flavour of MOUNT/SYSTEM.

The rest of the startup and software configuration were driven by the
system name.  Entering that and doing an Autogen were pretty much the
only manual actions required on setting up a new customer or performing
a software upgrade for an existing customer.

OK, these were all part of the same group of customers, running nearly
identical applications software, but it was feasible 30 years ago.

It does take planning of course.

Did I mention naming conventions yet? :-)

-- 
There are two hard things in computer science, and they are cache invalidation,
naming, and off-by-one errors.

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Where to locate software "Paul Richards" <paulrichards@iinet.net.au> - 2016-06-08 18:18 -0500
  Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-08 19:39 -0400
    Re: Where to locate software "Paul Richards" <paulrichards@iinet.net.au> - 2016-06-08 20:28 -0500
  Re: Where to locate software "Bill Pedersen" <pedersen@ccsscorp.com> - 2016-06-08 19:40 -0400
    Re: Where to locate software "Paul Richards" <paulrichards@iinet.net.au> - 2016-06-08 20:30 -0500
      Re: Where to locate software "Bill Pedersen" <pedersen@ccsscorp.com> - 2016-06-08 22:24 -0400
        Re: Where to locate software "Paul Richards" <paulrichards@iinet.net.au> - 2016-06-08 22:57 -0500
  Re: Where to locate software Steven Schweda <sms.antinode@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 17:02 -0700
    Re: Where to locate software "Paul Richards" <paulrichards@iinet.net.au> - 2016-06-08 20:31 -0500
    Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-08 21:53 -0700
      Re: Where to locate software Steven Schweda <sms.antinode@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 22:19 -0700
      Re: Where to locate software Richard Levitte <richard@levitte.org> - 2016-06-09 02:47 -0700
        Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-09 13:39 -0700
  Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-09 08:42 -0400
    Re: Where to locate software Jan-Erik Soderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> - 2016-06-09 14:58 +0200
      Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-09 10:27 -0400
        Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-09 11:33 -0400
          Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-09 11:43 -0400
            Re: Where to locate software johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk - 2016-06-09 09:19 -0700
              Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-09 13:13 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-09 18:58 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-09 18:59 +0000
              Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-09 22:01 -0400
                Re: VMS FAQ (was Re: Where to locate software) Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-10 10:58 -0400
                Re: VMS FAQ (was Re: Where to locate software) Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-10 16:50 +0000
          Re: Where to locate software koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-09 13:28 -0400
            Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-09 22:06 -0400
    Re: Where to locate software   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2016-06-09 13:58 +0000
      Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-09 11:16 -0400
    Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-09 14:46 +0000
      Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-09 12:43 -0400
        Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-09 13:50 -0700
        Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-09 22:20 -0400
          Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-10 11:11 -0400
            Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-10 11:56 -0400
              Re: Where to locate software johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk - 2016-06-10 10:19 -0700
              Re: Where to locate software Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-10 18:03 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-10 15:59 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-13 09:02 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-13 16:34 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-10 16:53 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Hans Vlems <hvlems@freenet.de> - 2016-06-11 00:27 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk - 2016-06-11 01:37 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Hans Vlems <hvlems@freenet.de> - 2016-06-11 03:21 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-11 22:02 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-11 22:27 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-13 09:05 -0400
            Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-10 16:13 +0000
              Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-10 15:50 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-10 20:54 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-10 17:47 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-11 01:59 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-10 19:13 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-11 03:01 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-10 22:47 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-11 12:45 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-11 15:02 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-12 02:07 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-11 22:05 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-12 04:17 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-11 03:09 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-10 23:39 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-10 22:44 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk - 2016-06-11 01:42 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-11 18:25 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-11 11:15 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-11 13:44 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk - 2016-06-11 11:54 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-11 15:23 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-11 18:28 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-11 22:38 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-12 00:59 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-12 14:09 +0000
                devops / source control - (Was: Where to locate software) "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net_work> - 2016-06-12 10:43 -0500
                Re: devops / source control - (Was: Where to locate software) "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net_work> - 2016-06-12 11:08 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-12 12:53 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-12 17:31 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-12 15:23 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-12 20:28 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-12 17:49 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-13 13:02 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-13 09:40 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-13 14:33 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-13 16:20 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-13 15:12 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software RobertsonEricW <robertsonericw@netzero.net> - 2016-06-13 08:55 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software John Reagan <xyzzy1959@gmail.com> - 2016-06-13 09:07 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net_work> - 2016-06-16 15:16 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-16 20:25 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Richard Levitte <richard@levitte.org> - 2016-06-16 23:24 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-19 06:21 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-19 06:08 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-18 21:52 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net_work> - 2016-06-19 19:17 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-13 15:03 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-13 09:08 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> - 2016-06-13 21:05 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-14 03:49 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-13 21:28 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-14 09:52 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-14 12:11 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-14 14:27 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-14 20:14 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-19 12:20 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-21 09:30 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Richard Levitte <richard@levitte.org> - 2016-06-21 09:34 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-07-02 08:23 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-14 16:22 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-14 16:20 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-21 09:28 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> - 2016-06-14 18:55 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-15 11:18 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-15 12:17 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-15 14:30 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> - 2016-06-15 07:39 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-15 15:23 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software "Craig A. Berry" <craig.a.berry@gmail.com> - 2016-06-15 08:03 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-15 19:41 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> - 2016-06-15 19:10 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-16 11:24 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> - 2016-06-16 08:33 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-16 17:09 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> - 2016-06-16 11:12 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software Richard Levitte <richard@levitte.org> - 2016-06-16 12:32 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> - 2016-06-16 17:48 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-16 20:29 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Richard Levitte <richard@levitte.org> - 2016-06-16 23:21 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-19 05:56 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-13 13:21 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software John Reagan <xyzzy1959@gmail.com> - 2016-06-12 14:46 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-12 17:53 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-12 12:57 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-12 18:03 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-12 12:46 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-11 22:37 -0400
            Re: Where to locate software Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> - 2016-06-10 13:28 -0500
    Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-09 11:30 -0400
      Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-09 12:48 -0400
    Re: Where to locate software Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-09 18:55 +0000
      Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-09 16:00 -0400
        Re: Where to locate software johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk - 2016-06-09 14:18 -0700
          Microsoft "innovation", was: Re: Where to locate software Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-10 17:47 +0000
      Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-09 22:26 -0400
  Re: Where to locate software Dale Dellutri <daQQQle@panQQQix.com> - 2016-06-09 15:17 +0000
    Re: Where to locate software "Paul Richards" <paulrichards@iinet.net.au> - 2016-06-09 19:29 -0500
      Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-10 06:23 +0200
        Re: Where to locate software "Paul Richards" <paulrichards@iinet.net.au> - 2016-06-09 23:45 -0500
        Re: Where to locate software Steven Schweda <sms.antinode@gmail.com> - 2016-06-09 21:51 -0700
          Re: Where to locate software Hans Vlems <hvlems@freenet.de> - 2016-06-10 00:15 -0700
            Re: Where to locate software "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net_work> - 2016-06-10 08:26 -0500

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