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Re: Where to locate software

From Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.os.vms
Subject Re: Where to locate software
Date 2016-06-10 11:11 -0400
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On 2016-06-10 02:20:51 +0000, David Froble said:

> I have run multiple applications on a single VMS system.  I've even 
> seen multiple companies using the same VMS system.  It can be done, if 
> the people doing it have half a clue.

That this is feasible is without question feasible.   It's getting two 
(or more) arbitrary software packages with arbitrary dependencies to 
arbitrarily and repeatedly and reliably install and upgrade and to 
cleanly deinstall where this — as OpenVMS is presently implemented — 
gets interesting.  It's certainly manually possible, but that tends to 
delve far too deeply into the RTFM territory.  And we all know that 
automation beats RTFM.   Further down the road from how OpenVMS 
operates, this is also distributed updates via (for instance) RSS and 
HTTPS and signed apps, and how vulnerable or even malicious apps are 
isolated from each other with an effort toward avoiding wider breaches.

*This* is why I rant about PCSI and patch distribution and app 
isolation and certificate distributions and secure password storage and 
package management and better tools.

Because if you're doing one server, then manual processes and skilled 
dev-ops folks can and does usually does work fine.   If you're doing 
five servers or if you're working with products whose developers have 
chosen to implement RTFM and (for whatever reason) not expend the 
effort on "it just works" in their packages, this gets tedious.   If 
you're doing fifty or five hundred servers or if you need rapid updates 
due to security vulnerabilities or other serious issues, you're in deep 
sneakers.   And most everything here is only going to need to happen 
faster.

*This* is app stacking and containers and sandboxes.

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Pure Personal Opinion | HoffmanLabs LLC

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Where to locate software "Paul Richards" <paulrichards@iinet.net.au> - 2016-06-08 18:18 -0500
  Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-08 19:39 -0400
    Re: Where to locate software "Paul Richards" <paulrichards@iinet.net.au> - 2016-06-08 20:28 -0500
  Re: Where to locate software "Bill Pedersen" <pedersen@ccsscorp.com> - 2016-06-08 19:40 -0400
    Re: Where to locate software "Paul Richards" <paulrichards@iinet.net.au> - 2016-06-08 20:30 -0500
      Re: Where to locate software "Bill Pedersen" <pedersen@ccsscorp.com> - 2016-06-08 22:24 -0400
        Re: Where to locate software "Paul Richards" <paulrichards@iinet.net.au> - 2016-06-08 22:57 -0500
  Re: Where to locate software Steven Schweda <sms.antinode@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 17:02 -0700
    Re: Where to locate software "Paul Richards" <paulrichards@iinet.net.au> - 2016-06-08 20:31 -0500
    Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-08 21:53 -0700
      Re: Where to locate software Steven Schweda <sms.antinode@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 22:19 -0700
      Re: Where to locate software Richard Levitte <richard@levitte.org> - 2016-06-09 02:47 -0700
        Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-09 13:39 -0700
  Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-09 08:42 -0400
    Re: Where to locate software Jan-Erik Soderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> - 2016-06-09 14:58 +0200
      Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-09 10:27 -0400
        Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-09 11:33 -0400
          Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-09 11:43 -0400
            Re: Where to locate software johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk - 2016-06-09 09:19 -0700
              Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-09 13:13 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-09 18:58 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-09 18:59 +0000
              Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-09 22:01 -0400
                Re: VMS FAQ (was Re: Where to locate software) Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-10 10:58 -0400
                Re: VMS FAQ (was Re: Where to locate software) Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-10 16:50 +0000
          Re: Where to locate software koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-09 13:28 -0400
            Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-09 22:06 -0400
    Re: Where to locate software   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2016-06-09 13:58 +0000
      Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-09 11:16 -0400
    Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-09 14:46 +0000
      Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-09 12:43 -0400
        Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-09 13:50 -0700
        Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-09 22:20 -0400
          Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-10 11:11 -0400
            Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-10 11:56 -0400
              Re: Where to locate software johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk - 2016-06-10 10:19 -0700
              Re: Where to locate software Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-10 18:03 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-10 15:59 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-13 09:02 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-13 16:34 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-10 16:53 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Hans Vlems <hvlems@freenet.de> - 2016-06-11 00:27 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk - 2016-06-11 01:37 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Hans Vlems <hvlems@freenet.de> - 2016-06-11 03:21 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-11 22:02 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-11 22:27 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-13 09:05 -0400
            Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-10 16:13 +0000
              Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-10 15:50 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-10 20:54 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-10 17:47 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-11 01:59 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-10 19:13 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-11 03:01 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-10 22:47 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-11 12:45 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-11 15:02 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-12 02:07 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-11 22:05 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-12 04:17 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-11 03:09 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-10 23:39 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-10 22:44 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk - 2016-06-11 01:42 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-11 18:25 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-11 11:15 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-11 13:44 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk - 2016-06-11 11:54 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-11 15:23 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-11 18:28 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-11 22:38 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-12 00:59 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-12 14:09 +0000
                devops / source control - (Was: Where to locate software) "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net_work> - 2016-06-12 10:43 -0500
                Re: devops / source control - (Was: Where to locate software) "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net_work> - 2016-06-12 11:08 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-12 12:53 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-12 17:31 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-12 15:23 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-12 20:28 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-12 17:49 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-13 13:02 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-13 09:40 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-13 14:33 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-13 16:20 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-13 15:12 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software RobertsonEricW <robertsonericw@netzero.net> - 2016-06-13 08:55 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software John Reagan <xyzzy1959@gmail.com> - 2016-06-13 09:07 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net_work> - 2016-06-16 15:16 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-16 20:25 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Richard Levitte <richard@levitte.org> - 2016-06-16 23:24 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-19 06:21 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-19 06:08 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-18 21:52 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net_work> - 2016-06-19 19:17 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-13 15:03 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-13 09:08 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> - 2016-06-13 21:05 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-14 03:49 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-13 21:28 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-14 09:52 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-14 12:11 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-14 14:27 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-14 20:14 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-19 12:20 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-21 09:30 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Richard Levitte <richard@levitte.org> - 2016-06-21 09:34 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-07-02 08:23 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-14 16:22 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-14 16:20 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-21 09:28 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> - 2016-06-14 18:55 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-15 11:18 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-15 12:17 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-15 14:30 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> - 2016-06-15 07:39 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-15 15:23 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software "Craig A. Berry" <craig.a.berry@gmail.com> - 2016-06-15 08:03 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-15 19:41 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> - 2016-06-15 19:10 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-16 11:24 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> - 2016-06-16 08:33 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2016-06-16 17:09 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> - 2016-06-16 11:12 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software Richard Levitte <richard@levitte.org> - 2016-06-16 12:32 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> - 2016-06-16 17:48 -0500
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-16 20:29 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Richard Levitte <richard@levitte.org> - 2016-06-16 23:21 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-19 05:56 +0200
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-13 13:21 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software John Reagan <xyzzy1959@gmail.com> - 2016-06-12 14:46 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-12 17:53 -0700
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-12 12:57 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software Kerry Main <kerry.main@backtothefutureit.com> - 2016-06-12 18:03 +0000
                Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-12 12:46 -0400
                Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-11 22:37 -0400
            Re: Where to locate software Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> - 2016-06-10 13:28 -0500
    Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-09 11:30 -0400
      Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-09 12:48 -0400
    Re: Where to locate software Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-09 18:55 +0000
      Re: Where to locate software Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-09 16:00 -0400
        Re: Where to locate software johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk - 2016-06-09 14:18 -0700
          Microsoft "innovation", was: Re: Where to locate software Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-10 17:47 +0000
      Re: Where to locate software David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-09 22:26 -0400
  Re: Where to locate software Dale Dellutri <daQQQle@panQQQix.com> - 2016-06-09 15:17 +0000
    Re: Where to locate software "Paul Richards" <paulrichards@iinet.net.au> - 2016-06-09 19:29 -0500
      Re: Where to locate software Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-10 06:23 +0200
        Re: Where to locate software "Paul Richards" <paulrichards@iinet.net.au> - 2016-06-09 23:45 -0500
        Re: Where to locate software Steven Schweda <sms.antinode@gmail.com> - 2016-06-09 21:51 -0700
          Re: Where to locate software Hans Vlems <hvlems@freenet.de> - 2016-06-10 00:15 -0700
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