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Re: keeping files on an external drive

From J Burns <burns@nospam.com>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.system
Subject Re: keeping files on an external drive
Date 2018-11-14 00:41 -0500
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On 11/13/18 6:02 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2018-11-13 2:11 PM, J Burns wrote:
>> On 11/13/18 3:24 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2018-11-13 12:10 PM, J Burns wrote:
>>>> On 11/12/18 5:41 PM, Lewis wrote:
>>>>> In message <psccmp$qu0$1@dont-email.me> J Burns <burns@nospam.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Intel demonstrated Light Peak with a Mac Pro logic board and USB
>>>>>> connectors. Thus Thunderbolt 3 is an offshoot of System 8.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is incoherent.
>>>>>
>>>> Offshoot: a thing that originated or developed from something else.
>>>>
>>>> In January, 1998, System 8.1 came out with support for USB 1.  In 
>>>> October, System 8.5 added support for Firewire.
>>>>
>>>> In time, Apple introduced computers with USB 2.0, USB 3.0., USB 3.1, 
>>>> Firewire 2, Thunderbolt 1, Thunderbolt 2, and Thunderbolt 3.
>>>>
>>>> Is that coherent for you?
>>>
>>> Still not.
>>>
>>> Thunderbolt did not originate with nor was it developed from System 8.
>>
>> In 1909, the Wright Brothers sold a Flyer to the Army and trained 
>> pilots. In 1945, the P-80 was an offshoot.
> 
> But both the Flyer and the P-80 were essentially the same thing: fixed 
> wing heavier-than-air flying vehicles.
> 
> Thunderbolt is a computer interface technology; essentially hardware and 
> firmware.


The Army required little of the Wright Flyer except that it carry two 
men at 40 mph. The Army could have put it in a museum or hired civilian 
pilots as scouts or messengers. As hardware, it would not have led to 
the P-80.

The Wrights provided support by training pilots. The existence of a 
corps of pilots has made all kinds of developments possible.

Under System 7, my computer had 7 ports of 5 types. The need to match 
what I had, limited my selection of peripherals, and I usually had to 
pay more. Maybe I could have gotten a USB PCI card and driver, but 
without OS support, I had no confidence that a device would work.

Along with System 8.1, Apple brought out the iMac, the first computer 
with no peripheral ports except USB. Without 8.1 support, there would 
have been a lot of unhappy campers. Apple's abandonment of legacy ports 
got the ball rolling for USB. Subsequent USB protocols were offshoots.

Likewise, a disk manufacturer and consumers could be confident that 
Firewire would work because the Mac OS supported it.

> 
> System 8 is software. No amount of improving OS 8 on its own would ever 
> let you plug in an external drive using Thunderbolt or any other 
> interface technology. Nor was OS 8 in any way necessary to the 
> development of Thunderbolt.

No amount of pilot training on its own would ever let you launch a 
ballistic missile, but the successes of manned aircraft created a demand 
in the military and Congress, besides an aeronautical knowledge base.

Remember the Pippin? The Twentieth Anniversary Macintosh? The 16-pound 
Macintosh Portable? The Apple III? The Newton? Thunderbolt was also a 
gamble. Thunderbolt devices had to be available at a price Mac owners 
were willing to pay. I don't know what except Firewire could have shown 
there was a demand.

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keeping files on an external drive J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-08 08:44 -0500
  Re: keeping files on an external drive Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2018-11-08 09:13 -0500
    Re: keeping files on an external drive J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-08 09:47 -0500
      Re: keeping files on an external drive nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 09:57 -0400
      Re: keeping files on an external drive Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2018-11-08 10:29 -0500
        Re: keeping files on an external drive nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 10:49 -0400
  Re: keeping files on an external drive nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 09:49 -0400
  Re: keeping files on an external drive Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2018-11-08 14:52 +0000
    Re: keeping files on an external drive Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-08 16:09 +0000
    Re: keeping files on an external drive J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-08 12:02 -0500
      Re: keeping files on an external drive Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2018-11-08 17:31 +0000
      Re: keeping files on an external drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-09 08:03 +1300
        Re: keeping files on an external drive nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 14:22 -0500
    Re: keeping files on an external drive "J.Albert" <j.albert@nowhere.net> - 2018-11-09 22:29 -0500
  Re: keeping files on an external drive Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-08 16:08 +0000
    Re: keeping files on an external drive J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-08 12:27 -0500
      Re: keeping files on an external drive nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 12:44 -0500
        Re: keeping files on an external drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-08 23:38 +0000
          Re: keeping files on an external drive J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-12 02:30 -0500
            Re: keeping files on an external drive dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-12 21:57 +1300
              Re: keeping files on an external drive dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-12 22:14 +1300
                Re: keeping files on an external drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-12 12:55 +0000
                Re: keeping files on an external drive dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-13 19:52 +1300
              Re: keeping files on an external drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-12 12:51 +0000
                Re: keeping files on an external drive dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-13 19:52 +1300
              Re: keeping files on an external drive J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-12 12:19 -0500
                Re: keeping files on an external drive nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 12:31 -0500
                Re: keeping files on an external drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-12 22:41 +0000
                Re: keeping files on an external drive J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-13 15:10 -0500
                Re: keeping files on an external drive Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-13 12:24 -0800
                Re: keeping files on an external drive J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-13 17:11 -0500
                Re: keeping files on an external drive Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-13 15:02 -0800
                Re: keeping files on an external drive J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-14 00:41 -0500
                Re: keeping files on an external drive Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-15 11:26 -0800
                Re: keeping files on an external drive dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-14 13:34 +1300
                Re: keeping files on an external drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-14 15:42 -0500
                Re: keeping files on an external drive dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-15 12:04 +1300
                Re: keeping files on an external drive JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-11-15 00:52 -0500
                Re: keeping files on an external drive dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-15 22:24 +1300
                Re: keeping files on an external drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-14 04:57 +0000
        Re: keeping files on an external drive ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-11-08 21:17 -0600
          Re: keeping files on an external drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-09 18:29 +1300
            Re: keeping files on an external drive J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-09 02:24 -0500
              Re: keeping files on an external drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-10 09:37 +1300
                Re: keeping files on an external drive ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-11-09 16:26 -0600
                Re: keeping files on an external drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-09 22:57 +0000
                Re: keeping files on an external drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-10 13:55 +1300
                Re: keeping files on an external drive J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-10 00:21 -0500
            Re: keeping files on an external drive ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-11-09 16:28 -0600
              Re: keeping files on an external drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-10 13:58 +1300
              Re: keeping files on an external drive Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-10 01:20 +0000
                Re: keeping files on an external drive Elden <usenet@moondog.org> - 2018-11-09 21:33 -0800
                Re: keeping files on an external drive dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-10 18:52 +1300
                Re: keeping files on an external drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-10 19:08 +1300
                Re: keeping files on an external drive dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-11-11 11:20 +1300
                Re: keeping files on an external drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-11 17:49 +1300
                Re: keeping files on an external drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-10 19:07 +1300
                Re: keeping files on an external drive nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-10 08:38 -0500
                Re: keeping files on an external drive Elden <usenet@moondog.org> - 2018-11-10 08:41 -0800
                Re: keeping files on an external drive J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-10 14:35 -0500
                Re: keeping files on an external drive Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-11 10:02 +1300
                Re: keeping files on an external drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-11 07:22 +0000
      Re: keeping files on an external drive Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-08 20:25 +0000
    Re: keeping files on an external drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-08 23:24 +0000
      Re: keeping files on an external drive Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-09 15:14 +0000
        Re: keeping files on an external drive Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-09 15:30 +0000
          Re: keeping files on an external drive Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-09 17:12 +0000

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