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Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac?

From Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac?
Date 2018-11-09 08:10 +1300
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On 2018-11-08 18:47:14 +0000, Chris Ridd said:

> On 08/11/2018 15:59, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2018-11-08, Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>> Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing passcodes on a desktop Mac?
>> 
>> Very.
>> 
>> Keychain is a securely encrypted password manager that is built into
>> Apple operating systems including macOS and iOS. The information in the
>> keychain is encrypted and stored in an SQLite database on the file
>> system.
> 
> Passwords in local keychains on Macs are only protected with 3DES, 
> which is an extremely weak cipher.
> 
> <https://web.archive.org/web/20110410065128/https://images.apple.com/macosx/security/docs/MacOSX_Security_TB.pdf> 
> 

Not quite true. They are also protected by your user and admin 
passwords (assuming you set the machine to lock when not used and not 
automatically log on when botting), and can be further protected by a 
firmware password and encrypting the drive (if you forget the drive 
encryption password, you're screwed though!).



> I would suggest *not* using the macOS keychain for passcodes that I 
> cared about. Personally I use 1Password; other secure password managers 
> are available.
> 
> <https://support.1password.com/opvault-overview/>

Like Adobe, 1Password has now stupidly gone down the subscription 
route, so you now have to pay a monthly fee, rather than buying a 
license.  :-(

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Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-07 21:59 -0800
  Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2018-11-08 12:31 +0000
    Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-08 13:51 -0800
      Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 17:10 -0500
        Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-08 20:55 -0800
          Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 00:23 -0500
            Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-09 11:03 -0800
              Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 14:15 -0500
              Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-11-09 22:53 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-10 15:01 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-11-10 21:22 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-10 19:56 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-11 18:09 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-12 13:34 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-13 14:00 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-12 21:42 -0400
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-15 12:25 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-16 14:14 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-15 19:22 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-16 18:42 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-15 19:36 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-16 18:42 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-16 08:02 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-16 12:10 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-17 09:40 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-18 13:42 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-18 16:49 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-18 17:43 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-19 18:31 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-25 18:47 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-26 18:38 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-16 08:15 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-17 09:46 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-18 14:31 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-19 14:38 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-18 17:58 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-17 14:17 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-11 18:06 +1300
              Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-10 14:09 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 20:11 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-15 18:30 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-15 13:07 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-16 14:11 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-15 13:11 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-16 14:19 +1300
              Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-10 01:18 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-10 19:52 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-11 16:49 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-11 14:32 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-11 22:38 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-12 13:27 -0800
            Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-13 21:19 -0800
              Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-14 18:38 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-15 13:24 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-16 14:23 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-15 19:14 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-16 18:41 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-16 08:07 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-17 09:43 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-18 13:33 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-18 16:40 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-18 14:39 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-18 20:28 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-19 14:33 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-18 20:35 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> - 2018-11-19 07:25 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-20 07:55 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-25 18:54 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-19 14:30 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-25 19:01 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-25 19:09 -0800
          Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-10 09:44 +1300
            Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-09 17:18 -0800
              Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 20:22 -0500
              Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-10 14:59 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 21:07 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-09 22:23 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-10 08:38 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-10 20:25 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-11-11 23:48 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-12 10:44 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-11-12 23:43 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-11 10:24 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-10 16:56 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-10 23:11 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-10 19:18 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-11 16:41 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-11 11:48 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-11 18:58 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-11 14:17 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-11 21:10 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-12 13:04 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-13 13:51 +1300
            Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-10 01:19 +0000
        Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-15 12:33 -0800
          Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 15:46 -0500
            Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-15 13:59 -0800
              Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 17:10 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-15 19:04 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-16 18:44 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-16 08:12 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-17 09:37 +1300
          Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-16 14:26 +1300
            Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-15 19:09 -0800
              Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-17 14:21 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> - 2018-11-17 07:40 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-18 09:53 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> - 2018-11-18 09:19 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-18 10:09 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-18 12:59 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-18 13:03 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-18 16:11 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-18 14:46 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-19 14:20 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-12-08 22:29 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-12-09 19:40 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-18 20:28 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-12-08 22:26 -0800
      Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-09 15:36 +1300
        Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-08 20:00 -0800
          Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 23:18 -0500
            Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-08 20:39 -0800
              Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 23:44 -0500
  Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-08 15:59 +0000
    Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> - 2018-11-08 18:47 +0000
      Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-09 08:10 +1300
        Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 14:22 -0500
        Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> - 2018-11-08 19:30 +0000
          Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-09 15:29 +1300
            Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 21:52 -0500
      Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-08 20:22 +0000

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