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Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac?

From Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac?
Date 2018-11-09 15:29 +1300
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On 2018-11-08 19:30:44 +0000, Chris Ridd said:
> On 08/11/2018 19:10, Your Name wrote:
>> On 2018-11-08 18:47:14 +0000, Chris Ridd said:
>>> Passwords in local keychains on Macs are only protected with 3DES, 
>>> which is an extremely weak cipher.
>>> 
>>> <https://web.archive.org/web/20110410065128/https://images.apple.com/macosx/security/docs/MacOSX_Security_TB.pdf> 
>>> 
>> 
>> Not quite true. They are also protected by your user and admin 
>> passwords (assuming you set the machine to lock when not used and not 
>> automatically log on when botting), and can be further protected by a 
>> firmware password and encrypting the drive (if you forget the drive 
>> encryption password, you're screwed though!).
> 
> It is common practice to assume the worst case scenario where the 
> attacker is able to get a copy of the (keychain) file.
> 
>> Like Adobe, 1Password has now stupidly gone down the subscription 
>> route, so you now have to pay a monthly fee, rather than buying a 
>> license.  :-(
> 
> It seems to have been a *very* successful strategy for Adobe.

Mainly because there's not a lot of other choice for professional 
users. Quite a few of the non-professional users have already jumped 
ship to other products which although less powerful, mostly suit their 
needs.



> However 1Password still sell full licenses. I got one for my Macs.

Only if you already have the previous version bought under a license. 
New buyers are forced into the subscription model.

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Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-07 21:59 -0800
  Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2018-11-08 12:31 +0000
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        Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-08 20:55 -0800
          Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 00:23 -0500
            Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-09 11:03 -0800
              Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 14:15 -0500
              Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-11-09 22:53 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-10 15:01 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-11-10 21:22 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-10 19:56 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-11 18:09 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-12 13:34 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-13 14:00 +1300
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                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-15 12:25 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-16 14:14 +1300
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                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-18 13:42 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-18 16:49 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-18 17:43 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-19 18:31 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-25 18:47 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-26 18:38 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-16 08:15 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-17 09:46 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-18 14:31 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-19 14:38 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-18 17:58 -0800
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                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-15 18:30 +1300
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                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-16 14:19 +1300
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                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-10 19:52 -0800
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                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-11 14:32 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-11 22:38 +0000
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              Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-14 18:38 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-15 13:24 -0800
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                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-15 19:14 -0800
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                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-18 13:33 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-18 16:40 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-18 14:39 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-18 20:28 -0500
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                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-18 20:35 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> - 2018-11-19 07:25 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-20 07:55 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-25 18:54 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-19 14:30 +1300
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            Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-09 17:18 -0800
              Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-09 20:22 -0500
              Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-10 14:59 +1300
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                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-09 22:23 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-10 08:38 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-10 20:25 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-11-11 23:48 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-12 10:44 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-11-12 23:43 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-11 10:24 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-10 16:56 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-10 23:11 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-10 19:18 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-11 16:41 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-11 11:48 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-11 18:58 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-11 14:17 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-11 21:10 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-12 13:04 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-13 13:51 +1300
            Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-10 01:19 +0000
        Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-15 12:33 -0800
          Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 15:46 -0500
            Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-15 13:59 -0800
              Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-15 17:10 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-15 19:04 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-16 18:44 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-16 08:12 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-17 09:37 +1300
          Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-16 14:26 +1300
            Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-15 19:09 -0800
              Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-17 14:21 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> - 2018-11-17 07:40 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-18 09:53 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> - 2018-11-18 09:19 +0000
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-18 10:09 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-18 12:59 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-18 13:03 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-18 16:11 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-18 14:46 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-19 14:20 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-12-08 22:29 -0800
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-12-09 19:40 +1300
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-18 20:28 -0500
                Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-12-08 22:26 -0800
      Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-09 15:36 +1300
        Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-08 20:00 -0800
          Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 23:18 -0500
            Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Tom Evans <tomevans9890@yahoo.ca> - 2018-11-08 20:39 -0800
              Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 23:44 -0500
  Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-11-08 15:59 +0000
    Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> - 2018-11-08 18:47 +0000
      Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-09 08:10 +1300
        Re: Is Keychain or any other program safe for storing sensitive data on a desktop Mac? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 14:22 -0500
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