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Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology

From benj <benj.fake@gmail.com>
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Subject Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology
Date 2018-11-06 17:28 -0500
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On 11/6/2018 4:20 PM, Keith Stein wrote:
> On 06/11/2018 21:02, JanPB wrote:
>> On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 12:08:57 PM UTC-8, Keith Stein wrote:
>>>>
>>>   >>
>>>   >> You ignorance is amazing but your determination to remain 
>>> ignorant is
>>>   >> positively pathological!
>>>   >>
>>>   >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/11/2018 00:18, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 11/3/2018 4:55 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/2/2018 6:38 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>> benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 11/2/2018 11:42 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 6:45:48 PM UTC-4, JanPB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 3:28:26 PM UTC-7, kenseto 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 5:23:21 PM UTC-4, JanPB 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 8:55:57 AM UTC-7, kenseto 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 7:18:47 PM UTC-4, JanPB 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 4:09:33 PM UTC-7, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 3:31:23 PM UTC-4, JanPB 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 7:58:18 AM UTC-7, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 4:59:53 PM UTC-4, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JanPB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 9:13:08 AM UTC-7, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Koobee Wublee wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 11:49:31 PM UTC-7, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JanPB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 8:27:34 PM UTC-7, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Koobee Wublee wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let’s inquire the Einstein dingleberries if 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asking for a hypothesis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to support an experimental result is too much to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask.  Does SR satisfy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the null results of the MMX?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Learn physics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Done just that.  <shrug>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I cannot teach you here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Koobee Wublee does not expect the queer of England 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who is a worshipper of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mysticism and bullshit to teach physics.  <shrug>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lying about your opponents is not a valid debating 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strategy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as "mysticism", you should study the history 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of electrodynamics
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sometime and see how Maxwell's theory introduced 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MANY problems (despite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its obvious general success), esp. regarding 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reconciliation of "light
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as waves in aether" with "light as E and B fields 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> satisfying Maxwell's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equations".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The two turned out to be EXTREMELY HARD to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reconcile. One
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the big problems was that in Maxwell's theory E 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and B fields in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an electromagnetic wave must be transverse while all 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aether theories
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allowed longitudinal components. So people started 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inventing all sorts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of "mystic" or "ad hoc" requirements that aether had 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to obey in order
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get rid of the longitudinal components. Here is a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> partial list of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people who worked on JUST this one detail: Navier, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poisson, Cauchy,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Green, Neumann, Lamé, Lord Rayleigh.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This interpretation is wrong. A structured aether 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such as the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E-Matrix can indeed transmits light transversely and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> isotropically.....no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> longitudinal component involved. The paper in the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following link shows this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interpretation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.modelmechanics.org/2015experiment.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is nothing in this paper that supports your 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim. It's FAPP all English
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prose. You need to discuss the relevant mathematical 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> models in *full detail*,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise it’s just speculation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I proposed a physical model of our universe that can 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> explain all observations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, you've just written a fantasy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Less fantasy than field and virtual particles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't even understand "field" and "virtual particles",
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so how would you know? And in general, designating 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something you know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing about as “fantasy" is not going to lead you anywhere.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know what Weinberg say about the field in his book and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> excitation of the field is the force messenger the boson. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably that you don’t understand “field” and “virtual 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> particle” and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are trying to bullshit me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You have to understand what those words actually mean (in 
>>>>>>>>>>>> full technical
>>>>>>>>>>>> detail, otherwise you cannot form a valid opinion).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It appears that you have no understanding of those words.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ken’s mantra: Words mean what I say they mean. I don’t need to 
>>>>>>>>>> read books
>>>>>>>>>> or listen to physicists about what the words mean. Everything 
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> physicists say and everything in books is wrong.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't know about books and physicists, but pretty much 
>>>>>>>>> everything you
>>>>>>>>> say is wrong, Odd. Defining words to mean what you say they 
>>>>>>>>> mean (like
>>>>>>>>> say "wave" or "medium") is your idea of science. Obviously that 
>>>>>>>>> is not
>>>>>>>>> science but "philosopher" territory.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Language is determined by the community in their context of 
>>>>>>>> usage. If you
>>>>>>>> don’t like the community’s usage, then you will fall out of 
>>>>>>>> communication
>>>>>>>> with them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Translation: I'm a leftly lib and in MY world whenever I have a 
>>>>>>> fantasy,
>>>>>>> I know that it becomes reality for everyone else!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you just illustrated your loss of communication.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What’s really fun, though, is your attachment to the past. The way 
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> insist that the definitions you hold are the ones you were taught six
>>>>>> decades ago, and by golly, that should be good enough for 
>>>>>> anybody—why, it’s
>>>>>> so quaint!
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah I went to school with Galileo. He was such a fun guy and a snappy
>>>>> dresser too like all Italians! What you don't (can't) understand is 
>>>>> that
>>>>> Galileo created the theory of relativity which is still true to this
>>>>> day! If you weren't so determined to remain ignorant you'd know that
>>>>> relativity can be proved using no more than Galilean relativity 
>>>>> without
>>>>> using any assumptions such as the constant speed of light.
>>>>
>>>> And when you use that proven relativity to electrodynamics, voila, 
>>>> constant
>>>> speed of light.
>>>
>>>
>>> Not according to Maxwell's Electromagnetic Theory,
>>> In Maxwell's Theory, the velocity of Light is
>>> RELATIVE TO THE MEDIUM,
>>
>> You misunderstood what Odd wrote. You are correct about Maxwell's 
>> thinking
>> about his own equations but Odd is correct too.
>>
>>> and if the medium is traveling
>>> with a velocity V in some frame of reference then
>>> light which is traveling through that medium with
>>> a velocity c relative to that medium, then the velocity
>>> of light in that same frame of reference in which the medium has
>>> velocity V, is the vector addition of V and c. NOT c eh!
>>
>> There were at least two problems with that approach:
>>
>> (1) A medium of that sort would normally allow longitudinal wave
>> components for plane EM waves in vacuum while Maxwell's equations
>> predicted strictly transverse waves. This forced all sorts of ad hoc
>> assumptions on aether's physical properties, some of which postulated
>> the presence of extra forces. None of those efforts looked satisfying,
>> to put it mildly.
>>
>> (2) Switching to a moving system makes Maxwell's equations invalid in 
>> that
>> system (e.g. the Biot-Savart law fails there). This was strange because
>> Newton's mechanics was considered a macroscopic result of electromagnetic
>> interactions at the microscopic level, yet Newton's theory was valid in
>> uniformly moving systems. If one was indeed a result of the other, this
>> shouldn't happen.
>>
>> And I'm leaving aside many other problems like aether should be dragged
>> according to some experiments, and should not be dragged according to
>> other experiments. And it has to be both extremely rigid in order to
>> support such an enormous sound speed yet (apparently) so permeable as
>> to be completely unnoticeable.
>>
>> So it was all a big mess.
> 
> 
> You "moderns" have made a big mess of it you mean, Jan.
> It is just as Maxwell taught you, light travels relative to
> "the medium".

Correct.

> What Maxwell didn't think he'd need to tell anyone, is that
> "the medium" is the "stuff" the light is traveling through eh!

Well actually He told us it is the thing that the energy is propagating 
through. What he didn't know was that the medium is clearly not 
absolutely fixed because no aether drift was found.

So moving objects do NOT plow through aether was was surmised. Maybe not 
so surprising because aether is thin, elastic and lossless.




> Please take my PHYSICS TEST, Jan, and if you get 100% in that,
> then you can go on to take PHYSICS TEST II (Just one question -
> two answers)
> 
> keith stein
> 
>>
>> -- 
>> Jan
>>
> 

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                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-10-30 11:15 -0700
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-31 16:38 -0700
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-28 23:54 -0700
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-29 07:58 -0700
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-29 12:31 -0700
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-30 07:41 -0700
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-30 13:44 -0700
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-31 16:09 -0700
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-31 16:18 -0700
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-01 08:55 -0700
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-01 14:23 -0700
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                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-11-01 15:34 -0700
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-01 15:45 -0700
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-02 06:59 -0700
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                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-03 00:47 -0700
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                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-03 07:32 -0700
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 14:43 +0000
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-03 10:10 -0700
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-03 15:51 +0100
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-03 10:00 -0700
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-03 07:21 -0700
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-03 15:41 +0100
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 14:48 +0000
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-03 15:57 +0100
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 18:03 +0000
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 16:56 -0700
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-04 00:38 -0700
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                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-06 20:08 +0000
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-06 14:39 -0600
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology Ntowicz Usarczyk <iswso@wioioksi.io> - 2018-11-06 20:59 +0000
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-06 21:05 +0000
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-06 20:54 -0600
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-06 13:02 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-06 21:20 +0000
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-06 13:50 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-11-06 17:28 -0500
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-07 09:07 +0000
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-11-07 20:24 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-08 11:17 +0000
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-08 21:22 +0100
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-08 10:18 -0600
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-08 18:38 +0000
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-11-06 17:22 -0500
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-06 17:12 -0800
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology Ntowicz Usarczyk <iswso@wioioksi.io> - 2018-11-07 19:30 +0000
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-07 15:37 -0800
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                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-04 11:51 +0100
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-02 13:52 -0700
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-03 07:14 -0700
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-03 15:37 +0100
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 16:55 -0700
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    Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-28 12:53 +0000
      Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-10-28 15:53 +0100
        Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-10-28 16:23 +0000
          Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-10-28 20:05 +0100
            Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-28 23:53 -0700
            Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-29 07:37 -0700
            Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-29 07:48 -0700
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                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-30 18:22 +0000
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