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Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology

From benj <benj.fake@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology
Date 2018-11-06 17:22 -0500
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On 11/6/2018 4:02 PM, JanPB wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 12:08:57 PM UTC-8, Keith Stein wrote:
>>>
>>   >>
>>   >> You ignorance is amazing but your determination to remain ignorant is
>>   >> positively pathological!
>>   >>
>>   >
>>
>>
>>
>> On 04/11/2018 00:18, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 11/3/2018 4:55 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>> benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/2/2018 6:38 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>> benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 11/2/2018 11:42 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 6:45:48 PM UTC-4, JanPB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 3:28:26 PM UTC-7, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 5:23:21 PM UTC-4, JanPB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 1, 2018 at 8:55:57 AM UTC-7, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 7:18:47 PM UTC-4, JanPB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 4:09:33 PM UTC-7, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 3:31:23 PM UTC-4, JanPB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 7:58:18 AM UTC-7, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 4:59:53 PM UTC-4, JanPB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 9:13:08 AM UTC-7, Koobee Wublee wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 11:49:31 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 8:27:34 PM UTC-7, Koobee Wublee wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let’s inquire the Einstein dingleberries if asking for a hypothesis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to support an experimental result is too much to ask.  Does SR satisfy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the null results of the MMX?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Learn physics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Done just that.  <shrug>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I cannot teach you here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Koobee Wublee does not expect the queer of England who is a worshipper of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mysticism and bullshit to teach physics.  <shrug>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lying about your opponents is not a valid debating strategy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as "mysticism", you should study the history of electrodynamics
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sometime and see how Maxwell's theory introduced MANY problems (despite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its obvious general success), esp. regarding reconciliation of "light
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as waves in aether" with "light as E and B fields satisfying Maxwell's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equations".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The two turned out to be EXTREMELY HARD to reconcile. One
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the big problems was that in Maxwell's theory E and B fields in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an electromagnetic wave must be transverse while all aether theories
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allowed longitudinal components. So people started inventing all sorts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of "mystic" or "ad hoc" requirements that aether had to obey in order
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get rid of the longitudinal components. Here is a partial list of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people who worked on JUST this one detail: Navier, Poisson, Cauchy,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Green, Neumann, Lamé, Lord Rayleigh.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This interpretation is wrong. A structured aether such as the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E-Matrix can indeed transmits light transversely and isotropically.....no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> longitudinal component involved. The paper in the following link shows this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interpretation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.modelmechanics.org/2015experiment.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is nothing in this paper that supports your claim. It's FAPP all English
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prose. You need to discuss the relevant mathematical models in *full detail*,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise it’s just speculation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I proposed a physical model of our universe that can explain all observations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, you've just written a fantasy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Less fantasy than field and virtual particles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't even understand "field" and "virtual particles",
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so how would you know? And in general, designating something you know
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing about as “fantasy" is not going to lead you anywhere.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I know what Weinberg say about the field in his book and that the
>>>>>>>>>>>> excitation of the field is the force messenger the boson. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>> probably that you don’t understand “field” and “virtual particle” and
>>>>>>>>>>>> you are trying to bullshit me.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You have to understand what those words actually mean (in full technical
>>>>>>>>>>> detail, otherwise you cannot form a valid opinion).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It appears that you have no understanding of those words.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ken’s mantra: Words mean what I say they mean. I don’t need to read books
>>>>>>>>> or listen to physicists about what the words mean. Everything that
>>>>>>>>> physicists say and everything in books is wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know about books and physicists, but pretty much everything you
>>>>>>>> say is wrong, Odd. Defining words to mean what you say they mean (like
>>>>>>>> say "wave" or "medium") is your idea of science. Obviously that is not
>>>>>>>> science but "philosopher" territory.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Language is determined by the community in their context of usage. If you
>>>>>>> don’t like the community’s usage, then you will fall out of communication
>>>>>>> with them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Translation: I'm a leftly lib and in MY world whenever I have a fantasy,
>>>>>> I know that it becomes reality for everyone else!
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you just illustrated your loss of communication.
>>>>>
>>>>> What’s really fun, though, is your attachment to the past. The way you
>>>>> insist that the definitions you hold are the ones you were taught six
>>>>> decades ago, and by golly, that should be good enough for anybody—why, it’s
>>>>> so quaint!
>>>>
>>>> Yeah I went to school with Galileo. He was such a fun guy and a snappy
>>>> dresser too like all Italians! What you don't (can't) understand is that
>>>> Galileo created the theory of relativity which is still true to this
>>>> day! If you weren't so determined to remain ignorant you'd know that
>>>> relativity can be proved using no more than Galilean relativity without
>>>> using any assumptions such as the constant speed of light.
>>>
>>> And when you use that proven relativity to electrodynamics, voila, constant
>>> speed of light.
>>
>>
>> Not according to Maxwell's Electromagnetic Theory,
>> In Maxwell's Theory, the velocity of Light is
>> RELATIVE TO THE MEDIUM,
> 
> You misunderstood what Odd wrote. You are correct about Maxwell's thinking
> about his own equations but Odd is correct too.
> 
>> and if the medium is traveling
>> with a velocity V in some frame of reference then
>> light which is traveling through that medium with
>> a velocity c relative to that medium, then the velocity
>> of light in that same frame of reference in which the medium has
>> velocity V, is the vector addition of V and c. NOT c eh!
> 
> There were at least two problems with that approach:
> 
> (1) A medium of that sort would normally allow longitudinal wave
> components for plane EM waves in vacuum while Maxwell's equations
> predicted strictly transverse waves. This forced all sorts of ad hoc
> assumptions on aether's physical properties, some of which postulated
> the presence of extra forces. None of those efforts looked satisfying,
> to put it mildly.
> 
> (2) Switching to a moving system makes Maxwell's equations invalid in that
> system (e.g. the Biot-Savart law fails there). This was strange because
> Newton's mechanics was considered a macroscopic result of electromagnetic
> interactions at the microscopic level, yet Newton's theory was valid in
> uniformly moving systems. If one was indeed a result of the other, this
> shouldn't happen.
> 
> And I'm leaving aside many other problems like aether should be dragged
> according to some experiments, and should not be dragged according to
> other experiments. And it has to be both extremely rigid in order to
> support such an enormous sound speed yet (apparently) so permeable as
> to be completely unnoticeable.
> 
> So it was all a big mess.
> 
> --
> Jan
> 
Your last statement is a correct assessment.

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                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-10-31 16:18 -0700
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                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-03 00:47 -0700
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 13:50 +0000
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-03 07:32 -0700
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 14:43 +0000
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-03 10:10 -0700
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-03 15:51 +0100
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-03 10:00 -0700
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-03 07:21 -0700
                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-03 15:41 +0100
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                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-03 15:57 +0100
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                Re: Einstein's Relativity as an Insane Ideology JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-03 16:56 -0700
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