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Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT)

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT)
Date	2018-09-26 02:39 +0000
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kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 at 10:13:08 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>> On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 9:20:49 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 1:13:15 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> kenseto <setoken@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> The paper in the following link describes a new theory of relativity
>>>>>>> called Improved Relativity Theory (IRT):
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://www.modelmechanics.org/2015irt.pdf
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The differences between IRT and SRT and LET are as follows:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 1. IRT says that space is occupied by a structured aether called the
>>>>>>> E-Matrix. In other words, the E-Matrix is space. The unique structured of
>>>>>>> the E-Matrix enables it to transmit light isotropically in all directions
>>>>>>> regardless of the motion of the source.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In other words, you have simply renamed spacetime. Renaming accomplishes
>>>>>> nothing physically. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> No transmission of light in the E-Matrix is based on absolute time.
>>>>> Transmission of light in spacetime is not even defined 
>>>> 
>>>> Of course it is! That’s what electrodynamics is all about. 
>>> 
>>> So how does light travel in spacetime....for that matter what is spacetime?
>>> Is light travel as particle photons? In that case how is it maintain the
>>> same speed wrt an observer moving toward or away from them?
>> 
>> These questions are answered with electrodynamics. 
> 
> Nope.

Of course they are. Try reading. 

>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> and in any case it is based on flexible time.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2. Time in IRT is absolute and the passage of absolute time is
>>>>>>> insensitive to motion. In other words, the rate of passage of absolute
>>>>>>> time is the same in all frames of reference. However, there is no clock
>>>>>>> time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount of
>>>>>>> absolute time different frames. This causes a clock to accumulate clock
>>>>>>> seconds at different rates, in different frames, according to its state
>>>>>>> of absolute motion--the higher is the state of absolute motion of the
>>>>>>> clock the higher is the absolute time content of its clock second.  This
>>>>>>> gives rise to the observed concept of clock time dilation.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 3. In IRT the material length of a meter stick is a universal constant in
>>>>>>> all frames of reference. However, the light-path-length (LPL: the length
>>>>>>> light must travel to cover the length of a moving meter stick) is
>>>>>>> predicted to be 1/gamma meter. This prediction is based on the assumption
>>>>>>> that the LPL of the observer’s meter stick is its material length.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For the previous two, you postulate absolute length and absolute time but
>>>>>> there are no instruments that can measure these. This is because, according
>>>>>> to you, all objects are in absolute motion and therefore no clock reads
>>>>>> absolute time and no meter stick reads absolute length. This is therefore
>>>>>> an unmeasurable quantity, and therefore not a testable hypothesis. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Absolute length in IRT is material length. And absolute time is a defined quantity
>>>> 
>>>> A defined quantity that is not measurable is not a testable hypothesis. 
>>> 
>>> Are you nuts? You can surely measure the length of a meter stick.
>> 
>> Absolute time. 
> 
> So what about absolute time? 

Oh, look! It’s Short Attention-Span Theater!

>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> --for example any observer can claim that his clock second represents a
>>>>> specific amount of absolute time and he uses the LT to transform his
>>>>> specific unit of absolute time another frame and the result is 1/gamma
>>>>> second--this means that 1/gamma second on a moving clock contains the
>>>>> same amount of absolute time as 1 second on the observer’s clock.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The GPS uses absolute time to synch the GPS clock with the ground clock.
>>>>> Before the launch the GPS second is set to have 4.4647 more periods of 
>>>>> Cs 133 radiation than the ground clock second. This is designed to make
>>>>> the GPS second at it location contains the same amount absolute time as
>>>>> the ground clock second. This means that the GPS is continually in synch
>>>>> with the group clock interns of absolute time.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Absolute motion was detected by several past experiments and new
>>>>> experiments to detect absolute motion are proposed in the following link:
>>>>> http://www.modelmechanics.org/2015experiment.pdf
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 4. An IRT observer does not assume that his clock accumulates clock
>>>>>>> seconds at a faster rate than a clock moving wrt him and the LPL of his
>>>>>>> meter stick is shorter than a meter stick moving wrt him. He must include
>>>>>>> the possibilities that the clock moving wrt him is accumulating clock
>>>>>>> seconds at a faster rate and that the LPL of a meter stick moving wrt him
>>>>>>> is shorter than the LPL of his meter stick.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The above premises of IRT eliminate all the paradoxes of SRT. More
>>>>>>> importantly, it gives rise to the IRT math that is valid in all
>>>>>>> environments, including gravity.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You have done no “IRT math” to show that it is valid. None. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> IRT math is shown in the link that started this thread. 
>>>> 
>>>> Writing down equations is not doing the math. 
>>> 
>>> Sure it is; IRT equations are math....Einstein’s 1905 paper contains
>>> equations and that’s math.
>> 
>> Einstein calculated numbers with his equations. He did the math. It’s more
>> than writing equations. 
> 
> No calculations in his 1905 paper.

But there were in the subsequent work. 
He wrote five papers in 1905 by the way. 

> 
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-24 09:43 -0700
  Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-24 17:13 +0000
    Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-24 12:38 -0700
      Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 01:20 +0000
        Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 01:38 +0000
          Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-25 06:47 -0700
            Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 14:13 +0000
              Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-25 17:54 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 02:39 +0000
        Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-25 06:32 -0700
          Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 14:13 +0000
            Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-25 17:57 -0700
              Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 02:39 +0000
  Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-24 18:17 +0000
    Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-24 20:09 +0000
      Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 13:29 -0700
        Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Hilton Packett <wod@wcothr.ce> - 2018-09-25 22:29 +0000
          Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) herbertglazier0@gmail.com - 2018-09-25 16:55 -0700
        Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-25 17:52 -0700
          Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-25 20:11 -0700
            Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-26 04:11 +0000
              Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 09:54 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-26 14:00 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-26 21:29 +0000
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-27 01:10 +0000
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-27 06:47 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-27 18:37 +0000
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-28 13:18 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-28 22:05 +0000
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-29 08:11 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-29 15:25 +0000
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-29 12:40 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-29 20:03 +0000
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-09-29 22:03 +0000
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-30 19:07 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 14:52 +0000
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-01 11:46 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 21:30 +0000
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-02 07:30 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 17:08 +0000
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-29 08:37 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-29 09:20 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-29 12:43 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-29 15:00 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 10:31 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-01 11:51 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-01 21:30 +0000
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-02 07:21 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 17:08 +0000
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 13:27 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-03 06:03 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-10-03 13:38 +0000
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-10-03 09:10 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 07:41 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-10-02 13:24 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-10-03 05:59 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-10-03 07:43 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-28 06:20 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-28 07:10 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-09-28 16:45 +0000
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-28 13:39 -0700
            Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-26 13:57 -0700
              Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-26 14:42 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-27 12:46 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-09-28 06:30 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-09-28 06:56 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-28 09:41 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-28 13:44 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-28 09:43 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-28 13:51 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-28 14:30 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-09-28 14:41 -0700
                Re: Improved Relativity Theory (IRT) "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-09-28 14:47 -0700

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