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Re: Which Hawking are we talking about ?

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On 8/21/2018 4:49 PM, Jeff-Relf.Me@. wrote:
>>> Hawking said black holes don't hide information from us.
>>
>> but the information does not get out.  you have to go there to look at it.
>> as you approach the surface of a black hole, time approachs 0 so things
>> fall to the surface of the black hole and stay stuck there.
> 
> A true black hole, an _ ideal black hole,
> can't exist because it'd have zero entropy.

a black hole does have a quantifiable entropy, which can decrease by
thermal radiation at the expense of dumping that lost entropy into the
surrounding universe.


> 
> No one has ever, nor could ever, _ measure zero entropy,
> with _ infinite precision.  
> And, if we can't measure it, then it's random, unknown.
> 
> From our perspective, here on earth,
> an _ infinite amount of time passes before 
> a falling object reaches the event horizon.
> 
> But, before then, the black hole evaporates, 
> and all information is returned to us.
> 

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            Which Hawking are we talking about ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-08-21 14:18 -0700
              Re: Which Hawking are we talking about ? Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-21 16:23 -0500
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