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Re: Trump the liar

From Helinka Svoboda <helinkasvoboda@protestant.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Trump the liar
Date 2018-08-20 23:46 +0000
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On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 16:34:25 -0700, Steve Carroll wrote:

> On Monday, August 20, 2018 at 4:22:30 PM UTC-6, -hh wrote:
> 
>> Plus many times an analysis of a claim as being "half" is because
>> there's more to the issue that wasn't disclosed.
> 
> And many times it's just plain BS.
> 
>> That's why the procedure of providing cites is used, so that the source
>> can be read for greater context.
> 
> So you'll be 'citing' what you falsely alleged I said", then? Why are
> you whining about cites without showing one for this, you lying weasel?
> As I said, elsewhere,
> I gave a cite from Politifact, your 'trusted' source (your arguing about
> it with me!).
> 
>> > > Oh, and this retort attempt:
>> > > 
>> > > "Ask this guy to:
>> > > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh_TAo1B4T0>"
>> > > 
>> > > does not cut it.  First off, because he's not the poster who made
>> > > the claim here on COLA.
>> > 
>> > Correct, you're the poster who made the dishonest strawman on my
>> > behalf. Funny how you keep trying to ignore realities that get in
>> > your way, isn't it?
>> 
>> YA allegation, now of a 'strawman'.
> 
> Any minute now you'll show where I "said" what you lied about <eyeroll>.
> 
>> > > Second, just what does such a link actually prove?
>> > 
>> > I didn't post it to "prove" anything to you; that can't be done when
>> > you've set your mind to it. Here's another guy you can ignore:
>> > 
>> > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI8xDMMNWLE>
>> 
>> The plural of anecdote still isn't data.
> 
> Tell it to the people in these 'hoods whose businesses have been taken
> over by legal immigrants, who are the ones hiring illegals.
> 
>> Plus even though NumbersUSA tries to claim that they're not race based,
>> they're enabled by a known racist, John Tanton.
>> 
>> <https://www.splcenter.org/20090131/nativist-lobby-three-faces-
intolerance>
> 
> The Southern Poverty Law Center? Are you insane?
> 
>> And even for their alleged 'numbers' approach, even a most cursory
>> internet search finds that their claims are readily ripped apart:
>> 
>> <https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/fuzzy-math-anti-
immigration-arguments-numbersusa-dont-add>
> 
> Earth to airhead! The title of that video is:
> 
> "Illegal Immigration and the Impact of Federal Policy on Black
> Americans"
> 
> Why did you point to a page that talks solely about immigration, with
> not a single mention of illegal immigration? Oh, wait... that's the
> uber-lib way, conflate these two in order to confuse things. You didn't
> actually watch that video, did you?
> 
>> > > That this guy is messed up in the head and that's somehow linked?
>> > 
>> > Everyone opposing your strawmen and BS is "messed up in the head"
>> > to hear you tell it. Maybe we should get a few of these guys involved
>> > in this thread, you know, for some perspective that may be lacking.
>> 
>> Go right ahead and knock yourself out.
> 
> I might, they could probably use a good laugh, too.
> 
>> > > A link to a guy making claims would only work as substantiation if
>> > > the claim was that there's people making claims on the Internet.
>> > 
>> > LOL! You took my words and twisted the snot out of them so excuse me
>> > while I laugh at your bizarre idiocy here. BTW it's not just "a guy",
>> > there are plenty to choose from.
>> 
>> So now you've provided two internet kooks
> 
> I suspect you'd label any black person complaining about this a 'kook'.
> 
>>, successfully substantiating
>> a claim that there's more than one.  Too bad no one was ever disputing
>> that there's kooks out there.
> 
> Sure... and what's a 'kook' or two here or there, right? It's not like
> anyone can look around the internet and find data on the black
> community's complaints about illegal immigration, is it? And even if
> they could, just apply the 'kook'
> label and it's all good, right?
> 
>> > > > > > > , particularly relevant to eighteen years ago, when the
>> > > > > > > rates of immigration were 10x higher despite ~1/3rd as many
>> > > > > > > enforcement resources.
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > > > Bull. Elsewhere, I've even pointed to a left leaning source
>> > > > > > you guys favor (Politifact), which could only claim that the
>> > > > > > spending of 300 billion annually on immigration related
>> > > > > > issues was "half true". The numbers could actually be larger
>> > > > > > than 300 billion once you start looking outward....
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > Even if the numbers are off by as much as 50%,
>> > > > 
>> > > > Maybe they're low by more than that.
>> > > 
>> > > Or they're higher, which weakens your case even further.
>> > 
>> > With the "case" being the strawman you dishonestly created for me.
>> 
>> No
> 
> Yes. And you've been running from it since you dishonestly "said" it on
> my behalf.
> 
>> > > > >  it is still (a) more staff
>> > > > > & budget, and (b) a huge decline from the 2000 peak.
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > BTW, since you started to use Politifact as a reliable source:
>> > > > 
>> > > > Nah, I'm using a source you should, were you consistent, accept.
>> > > > 
>> > > > > "MOSTLY TRUE: Undocumented immigrants less likely to commit
>> > > > > crimes than U.S. citizens"
>> > > > 
>> > > > "less likely"? Can the language get any more wishy washy?
>> > > >
>> > > > No matter, your obvious problem here is I don't believe
>> > > > Politifact (*especially* on this issue) , you do.
>> > > > 
>> > > > > <https://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2017/aug/03/
antonio-villaraigosa/mostly-true-undocumented-immigrants-less-likely-co/>
>> > > 
>> > > No, a source is either trusted, or it is not:  one don't get to
>> > > pick & choose based on if you like what a part says.  Choose your
>> > > poison: it is either to accept both, or to accept neither.
>> > 
>> > That's really weird. My (reality based)  position is:
>> > 
>> > A source is either good or bad on a given topic and it depends on
>> > what the actual claims (as opposed to strawmen and wishy washy
>> > language)
>> > and evidence are. For example, as to the language, your 'pants on
>> > fire' cite wasn't worded in a way that was very convincing. IMO,
>> > Politifact isn't quite as "fact" based as they'd have people believe,
>> > but my opinion aside, I recognize that doesn't mean they're always
>> > wrong.
>> > The way you're suggesting, you'll blow through sources and then
>> > you'll probably get stuck adhering to things even you know are silly
>> > (which looks to be happening already).
>> 
>> Both, or neither.  Choose your poison.
> 
> Sorry, "Hugh", as much as it's obvious you'd like to, you don't get to
> tell people what to choose any more than you can falsely claim they've
> "said" something they didn't say.
> 
> 
>> > > > > > > > ... you're the guy suggesting it's no longer much of an
>> > > > > > > > issue.
>> > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > False.  I've merely responded to your claims that there's a
>> > > > > > > huge problem, including your claim that the CBP has been
>> > > > > > > "feeble" in addressing it.
>> > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > I've identified your claims as unsubstantiated & in need of
>> > > > > > > proof.
>> > > > > > 
>> > > > > > Who, other than you, would I need to prove it to?
>> > > > > 
>> > > > > No one forced you to make you public statement.
>> > > > 
>> > > > Regarding that... AGAIN... my first paragraph to this thread:
>> > > > 
>> > > > "I initially disagreed with the wall, I'm still not fully
>> > > > convinced. OTOH, once one takes into consideration the annual
>> > > > amount spent on illegal immigration, costs attempting to deal
>> > > > with drugs that are pouring, no **flooding** across the southern
>> > > > border, costs of dealing with drug addiction (including *loss of
>> > > > life, lost productivity, incarceration, etc.)
>> > > > a wall, which we all know won't be 100% effective, looks like it
>> > > > could be at least part of a better solution than our current,
>> > > > feeble attempts."
>> > > 
>> > > Claim made:  "feeble".
>> > 
>> > Notice how you're spending so much time avoiding the *lie* you told
>> > on my behalf, only to focus on something that isn't really relevant
>> > and doesn't stand a chance of being settled? Now let's see, why would
>> > you do that? I know it'll come to me...
>> 
>> That "lie" is
> 
> That you falsely claimed:
> 
> "You've said that this all will somehow finally be solved simply by
> throwing even more money at it even though we've already spent $1T (and
> counting)." - hh
> 
>> > > Substantiation for claim still missing.
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > > > Notably, before I mentioned drugs, I first mentioned (as the
>> > > > bigger, more expensive problem) "illegal immigration", but you
>> > > > went right past that.
>> > > 
>> > > Substantiation of this "bigger" claim  ... also missing.  Cite
>> > > please.
>> > 
>> > The Politifact story about the annual ~$300 billion, a number that,
>> > on its face, exceeds the drug problem. That said, I'm forced to
>> > recognize that the numbers being tossed about in the media can't
>> > possibly tell the entire drug related story. You're lucky, though,
>> > apparently you have no such limitation.
>> 
>> Politifact only rated it as half true because the claim was based on
>> quoting multiple sources - the range actually varied from $279B to
>> $43B, plus quoting:  "But making a conclusion on that one figure is a
>> mighty case of cherry-picking."
> 
> I've read it, as well as the 'alleged' 2nd gen boost I mentioned
> earlier.
> 
>> Politifact also goes on to note,
>> "The overall effect of immigration on economic growth was positive."
> 
> Based on the premise that it will be "paid back" <eyeroll>, yet, the
> article then notes that the best-case assumptions are showing 43 billion
> annual dollars of "harm"... that you seem to believe doesn't exist.
> You're full of it.

I think this clown hh might be a snit sock.
Why? How can there be another person as ignorant as snit?
The both of them are idiots, if they are even 2 distinct people.

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                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-21 08:20 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-20 18:48 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Helinka Svoboda <helinkasvoboda@protestant.com> - 2018-08-21 02:29 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-21 03:33 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 03:58 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 04:30 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Helinka Svoboda <helinkasvoboda@protestant.com> - 2018-08-21 14:08 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Chuck Chop <"butwaitthere is more"@ginsu.org> - 2018-08-21 10:11 -0400
                Re: Trump the liar Helinka Svoboda <helinkasvoboda@protestant.com> - 2018-08-21 14:14 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 07:37 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-08-21 14:30 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 08:03 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-21 08:18 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-21 08:46 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 20:03 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 20:05 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 20:18 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-21 03:56 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 08:03 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-21 08:35 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-21 08:45 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-21 08:52 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 20:01 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 19:58 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 20:11 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 19:45 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Chuck Chop <"butwaitthere is more"@ginsu.org> - 2018-08-20 22:54 -0400
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-21 08:49 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 20:14 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 10:40 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 10:50 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 10:51 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 11:18 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 10:36 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 11:03 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Andrzej Matuch <a.m@vt.ca> - 2018-08-17 12:59 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-17 10:42 -0500
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 09:25 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-17 09:35 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 09:53 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Andrzej Matuch <a.m@vt.ca> - 2018-08-17 16:31 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-20 07:15 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 07:18 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 07:25 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-20 09:32 -0500
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-20 10:25 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-20 13:00 -0500
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 11:24 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 16:52 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-21 08:41 -0500
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 11:50 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-20 13:43 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-08-20 21:32 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Helinka Svoboda <helinkasvoboda@protestant.com> - 2018-08-20 21:47 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 15:12 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-08-20 22:49 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 15:59 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 16:14 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 14:40 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 14:56 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-21 08:08 -0500
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-21 08:37 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 20:12 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-21 08:06 -0500
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-21 08:38 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-21 14:26 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 14:36 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-22 07:08 -0500
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-22 06:50 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-08-22 10:21 -0400
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-22 11:33 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-17 08:52 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-16 11:00 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 11:30 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 13:51 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-15 14:14 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 14:25 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-15 14:07 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-15 11:56 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 08:53 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-15 09:49 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-15 09:36 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-14 20:04 -0700
                People who overdosed on drugs, and died. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-08-14 16:54 -0700
                Enertainment comes first and foremost. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-08-16 16:59 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-14 19:32 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 12:45 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 13:10 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-14 14:46 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 15:22 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-14 20:06 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-08-15 04:21 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 04:49 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-10 16:05 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-08-10 18:11 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 11:20 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-10 16:04 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-10 16:06 -0700
            Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-10 10:52 -0500
              Re: Trump the liar owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-08-10 16:04 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 09:30 -0700
    Re: Trump vs shitv Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 07:41 -0700
    Re: Trump vs shitv SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-08-10 14:52 +0000
  Re: Trump vs shitv SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-08-10 14:50 +0000
    Re: Trump vs shitv Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 07:56 -0700
    Re: Trump vs shitv Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-10 08:24 -0700
  Trump makes people think, and it hurts their heads. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-08-11 01:22 -0700
    Re: Trump makes people think, and it hurts their heads. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-11 01:57 -0700

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