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Re: Trump the liar

From Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Trump the liar
Date 2018-08-16 11:00 -0700
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On 8/16/18 9:35 AM, -hh wrote:
> On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 11:47:00 AM UTC-4, Steve Carroll wrote:
>> On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 5:11:12 AM UTC-6, -hh wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 5:07:59 PM UTC-4, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 2:17:17 PM UTC-6, -hh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And yet that still doesn't provide a clear "yes" or "no".
>>>>
>>>> I've already answered this absurd question.
>>>
>>> Cite, please.
>>
>> Learn to read.
> 
> That's plainly not a cite.

It is his effort to move goal posts.

>> But then, you don't even understand the implications of your
>> own argument so its pointless to ask that of you. I'll lay it
>> out in the hopes you get someone to explain it to you. Here's
>> what your 'argument' boils down to...
> 
> Considering that I've done little more than to challenge your
> claims instead of making my own policy position, this should be rich.

He repeatedly works to speak for others. It is amazing to watch.

>> Because I'm saying I'd be willing to gamble on building a wall in
>> favor over the current fencing we now have, you've alleged that I'm
>> 'bigoted' against those south of the border;
> 
> Incorrect. 

Right: his efforts to speak for you are absurd.

> What I've noted is that you've claimed to be willing
> to build a wall, but you've avoided any sort of objective metrics
> for the benefit (return on investment) for that expenditure.  The
> bigotry part is simply noting the parallel of your position to
> the Alt-Right and Trump political rhetoric, which is trying to
> claimed an immigration crisis to advance their White Supremacist agenda.

Well stated. Better than I could. Thanks.

>> ...this, as based on your
>> idea that I'm hiding this alleged 'bigotry' behind what you consider
>> to be a bogus, drug epidemic argument when my real 'problem' is, to
>> hear you tell it, that I just don't like the skin color of these
>> people.
>>
>> Obvious question:
>> What is the difference in *intent* between having our current fencing
>> and building a wall?
>>
>> Obvious answer:
>> Not a damn thing because, as we all know, "both" are designed to keep
>> people out.
> 
> Incorrect, because the costs are not the same.  Nor is the implied
> capability intent...which is implied because a performance claim has
> not been made.

Nor are the symbolic values.

>> In essence, you're arguing to completely open the border, no fence,
>> no wall...
> 
> False.

Not just false, utterly absurd. He worked to push that same idiocy onto 
me. It is him parroting Trump and crowd, with no sign he understands 
what it even means.

>> ...and those who don't want either are all 'bigots'.
> 
> No.  The bigots are the people who want a wall even without knowing
> if it will materially change the immigration situation at all.  And
> this applies in Spades when they try to also lump in drugs also
> without any data or capability performance metrics.

And keep in mind the pattern of Carroll backing Slimer's open bigotry.

But Carroll is the victim in his own mind.

>> How would
>> the reader know this is the case? If it was about drugs, money, etc.
>> there is *no* need to play the race card, none.
> 
> Except for your lack of any call for a Wall for the US-Canada border.

Yeah, I keep noting that here and in other conversations.

> And no, you can't just try to hand-waive this away by claiming that
> illegal border crossings there aren't a problem because you don't
> have the data...particularly since you'll never have any arrests in
> a region that you have zero law enforcement in.
> 
> In the dark, you only ever find lost quarters under the street light.

:)


-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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                Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-21 08:08 -0500
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-21 08:37 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-20 20:12 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-21 08:06 -0500
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-21 08:38 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-21 14:26 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 14:36 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-22 07:08 -0500
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-22 06:50 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar DFS <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-08-22 10:21 -0400
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-22 11:33 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-17 08:52 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-16 11:00 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 11:30 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 13:51 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-15 14:14 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 14:25 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-15 14:07 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-15 11:56 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 08:53 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-15 09:49 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-15 09:36 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-14 20:04 -0700
                People who overdosed on drugs, and died. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-08-14 16:54 -0700
                Enertainment comes first and foremost. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-08-16 16:59 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-14 19:32 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 12:45 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 13:10 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-08-14 14:46 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 15:22 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-14 20:06 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-08-15 04:21 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 04:49 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-10 16:05 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-08-10 18:11 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 11:20 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-10 16:04 -0700
                Re: Trump the liar Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-10 16:06 -0700
            Re: Trump the liar chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-08-10 10:52 -0500
              Re: Trump the liar owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-08-10 16:04 +0000
                Re: Trump the liar Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 09:30 -0700
    Re: Trump vs shitv Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 07:41 -0700
    Re: Trump vs shitv SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-08-10 14:52 +0000
  Re: Trump vs shitv SilverSlimer <silver@slim.er> - 2018-08-10 14:50 +0000
    Re: Trump vs shitv Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 07:56 -0700
    Re: Trump vs shitv Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-08-10 08:24 -0700
  Trump makes people think, and it hurts their heads. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-08-11 01:22 -0700
    Re: Trump makes people think, and it hurts their heads. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-08-11 01:57 -0700

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