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On 8/6/2018 11:21 AM, Sergio wrote:
> On 8/6/2018 9:34 AM, alal65536@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 5:41:46 PM UTC+5:30, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> <alal65536@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> My quest for truth is to understand myself and the world better.
>>>> Scientists search for simple laws that describe the natural world.  With
>>>> classical physics, scientist felt they had discovered almost everything
>>>> and the process was ending.  Then came relativity and quantum mechanics.
>>>> The end is but the beginning.
>>>>
>>>> The famous quote about unknown unknowns is from Donald Rumsfeld, a US
>>>> Congressman.  But does it also apply to physics?
>>>>
>>>> Mathematics hates contradictions.  And physics can be said to be
>>>> empirical with theory of applied mathematics.  But even in physics there
>>>> is contradiction.
>>>
>>> I disagree.
>>>
>>>> Wave particle duality is considered by some to be a contradiction.
>>>
>>> Not among the knowledgeable.
>>
>> According to Albert Einstein ,
>>
>> "We have two contradictory pictures of reality..."
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> According to arxiv.org, in "Types of paradoxes in physics", 'axioms of a
>>>> formal system allow for the possibility of contradiction'.  And physics
>>>> is somewhat a formal system.
>>>>
>>>> We will never discover everything, I suspect.  But we can continue to
>>>> have a better understanding of ourselves and the world.  Understanding
>>>> ourselves is just as important as understanding the rest of the world.
>>>> Biology is just as important as physics.  But what are the limits to our understanding?
>>>>
>>>> I only read that one paper on arxiv.org, but I need to understand more
>>>> about how much a thing (human, in this case) can understand itself, and
>>>> how biased our physics is because it was discovered/created by humans.
>>>
>>> The purpose of physics is to understand nature, not so much us. That’s a
>>> different set of fields.
>>
>> Aren't we part of nature?  Perhaps we are too complex to be fully modelled in physics.
> 
> very true.

As for being part of nature, that is true. As for being too complex to 
be modeled, well that depends on what models have been invented, right?
We can be pretty sure that all models have not been invented yet.


>> Abhinav Lal
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Let me close this discussion with some quotes.
>>>>
>>>> "The more I know, the less I know"
>>>>
>>>> Abhinav Lal
>>>> Writer & Investor
>>>>
>>>> "I am a contradiction,
>>>> There is no logical solution"
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>
> 

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We don't know what we don't know alal65536@gmail.com - 2018-08-06 04:44 -0700
  Re: We don't know what we don't know Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 12:11 +0000
    Re: We don't know what we don't know alal65536@gmail.com - 2018-08-06 05:55 -0700
    Re: We don't know what we don't know alal65536@gmail.com - 2018-08-06 07:34 -0700
      Re: We don't know what we don't know Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-06 10:21 -0500
        Re: We don't know what we don't know benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 14:21 -0400
      Re: We don't know what we don't know Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 15:21 +0000
        Re: We don't know what we don't know benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 14:05 -0400
      The uncaused cause. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-08-12 17:11 -0700
    Re: We don't know what we don't know benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 14:03 -0400
    Re: We don't know what we don't know john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-08 07:17 -0700
      Re: We don't know what we don't know benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-08 11:22 -0400
  Re: We don't know what we don't know Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-06 08:59 -0500
    Re: We don't know what we don't know alal65536@gmail.com - 2018-08-06 07:42 -0700
      Re: We don't know what we don't know Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-06 10:20 -0500
      Re: We don't know what we don't know Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 15:26 +0000
        Re: We don't know what we don't know alal65536@gmail.com - 2018-08-06 09:29 -0700
          Re: We don't know what we don't know Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 16:43 +0000
            Re: We don't know what we don't know benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 14:23 -0400
          Re: We don't know what we don't know "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-08-06 14:45 -0700
            Re: We don't know what we don't know Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-06 16:57 -0500
              Re: We don't know what we don't know "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-08-08 23:39 -0700
          Re: We don't know what we don't know Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 17:10 -0700
        Re: We don't know what we don't know benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 14:08 -0400
        Re: We don't know what we don't know Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-06 15:07 -0500
          Re: We don't know what we don't know benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 17:27 -0400
            Re: We don't know what we don't know Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-06 16:35 -0500
    Re: We don't know what we don't know poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-13 15:59 -0700
  Re: We don't know what we don't know Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 16:59 -0700
  We're ten times more retarded than we can imagine. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-08-12 16:53 -0700
    Re: We're ten times more retarded than we can imagine. Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-12 22:59 -0500
      Re: We're ten times more retarded than we can imagine. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-13 11:42 -0400
    Re: We're ten times more retarded than we can imagine. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-08-13 13:42 -0700

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