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On 8/6/2018 11:21 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> <alal65536@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Monday, August 6, 2018 at 5:41:46 PM UTC+5:30, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> <alal65536@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> My quest for truth is to understand myself and the world better.
>>>> Scientists search for simple laws that describe the natural world.  With
>>>> classical physics, scientist felt they had discovered almost everything
>>>> and the process was ending.  Then came relativity and quantum mechanics.
>>>> The end is but the beginning.
>>>>
>>>> The famous quote about unknown unknowns is from Donald Rumsfeld, a US
>>>> Congressman.  But does it also apply to physics?
>>>>
>>>> Mathematics hates contradictions.  And physics can be said to be
>>>> empirical with theory of applied mathematics.  But even in physics there
>>>> is contradiction.
>>>
>>> I disagree.
>>>
>>>> Wave particle duality is considered by some to be a contradiction.
>>>
>>> Not among the knowledgeable.
>>
>> According to Albert Einstein ,
>>
>> "We have two contradictory pictures of reality..."
> 
> Well, a lot has been learned in the last eight or nine decades. Einstein’s
> assessment is not eternal, and specifically in the domain of quantum
> physics his views are not at all in synch with the physics community.
> 
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> According to arxiv.org, in "Types of paradoxes in physics", 'axioms of a
>>>> formal system allow for the possibility of contradiction'.  And physics
>>>> is somewhat a formal system.
>>>>
>>>> We will never discover everything, I suspect.  But we can continue to
>>>> have a better understanding of ourselves and the world.  Understanding
>>>> ourselves is just as important as understanding the rest of the world.
>>>> Biology is just as important as physics.  But what are the limits to our understanding?
>>>>
>>>> I only read that one paper on arxiv.org, but I need to understand more
>>>> about how much a thing (human, in this case) can understand itself, and
>>>> how biased our physics is because it was discovered/created by humans.
>>>
>>> The purpose of physics is to understand nature, not so much us. That’s a
>>> different set of fields.
>>
>> Aren't we part of nature?  Perhaps we are too complex to be fully modelled in physics.
> 
> That certainly appears to be the case.

Certainly that is the case at Odd's level of intelligence.

>> Abhinav Lal
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Let me close this discussion with some quotes.
>>>>
>>>> "The more I know, the less I know"
>>>>
>>>> Abhinav Lal
>>>> Writer & Investor
>>>>
>>>> "I am a contradiction,
>>>> There is no logical solution"
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 

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We don't know what we don't know alal65536@gmail.com - 2018-08-06 04:44 -0700
  Re: We don't know what we don't know Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 12:11 +0000
    Re: We don't know what we don't know alal65536@gmail.com - 2018-08-06 05:55 -0700
    Re: We don't know what we don't know alal65536@gmail.com - 2018-08-06 07:34 -0700
      Re: We don't know what we don't know Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-06 10:21 -0500
        Re: We don't know what we don't know benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 14:21 -0400
      Re: We don't know what we don't know Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 15:21 +0000
        Re: We don't know what we don't know benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 14:05 -0400
      The uncaused cause. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-08-12 17:11 -0700
    Re: We don't know what we don't know benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 14:03 -0400
    Re: We don't know what we don't know john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2018-08-08 07:17 -0700
      Re: We don't know what we don't know benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-08 11:22 -0400
  Re: We don't know what we don't know Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-06 08:59 -0500
    Re: We don't know what we don't know alal65536@gmail.com - 2018-08-06 07:42 -0700
      Re: We don't know what we don't know Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-06 10:20 -0500
      Re: We don't know what we don't know Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 15:26 +0000
        Re: We don't know what we don't know alal65536@gmail.com - 2018-08-06 09:29 -0700
          Re: We don't know what we don't know Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 16:43 +0000
            Re: We don't know what we don't know benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 14:23 -0400
          Re: We don't know what we don't know "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-08-06 14:45 -0700
            Re: We don't know what we don't know Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-06 16:57 -0500
              Re: We don't know what we don't know "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-08-08 23:39 -0700
          Re: We don't know what we don't know Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 17:10 -0700
        Re: We don't know what we don't know benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 14:08 -0400
        Re: We don't know what we don't know Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-06 15:07 -0500
          Re: We don't know what we don't know benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 17:27 -0400
            Re: We don't know what we don't know Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-06 16:35 -0500
    Re: We don't know what we don't know poraty149@gmail.com - 2018-08-13 15:59 -0700
  Re: We don't know what we don't know Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 16:59 -0700
  We're ten times more retarded than we can imagine. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-08-12 16:53 -0700
    Re: We're ten times more retarded than we can imagine. Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-08-12 22:59 -0500
      Re: We're ten times more retarded than we can imagine. benj <benj.fake@gmail.com> - 2018-08-13 11:42 -0400
    Re: We're ten times more retarded than we can imagine. Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-08-13 13:42 -0700

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