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Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
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Subject Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity
Date 2018-08-02 10:34 +0000
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Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 6:29:23 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>  but writing about science doesn’t make you a
>>>> scientist. 
>>> 
>>> Well, OK, you say that an ideal clock in a GPS satellite is not faster
>>> than a clock on earth. 
>> 
>> That is correct. 
>> 
>>> The fact is that it comes down once again to transitions of cesium atoms.  
>> 
>> Yes, and the laws of physics that govern those transitions are exactly the
>> same here on earth as they are on the GPS satellite, in accordance with
>> Galileo’s principle. 
> 
> So you are saying that scientists adjust the rate of the clock in the
> satellite to agree with the rate of a clock on earth because the clocks
> agree with each other. 

No. What I am saying is that if you leave the clocks as ideal clocks, then
the laws of physics that are the same for both clocks will guarantee that
that they are ideal clocks, and that there is a reason the clocks do not
show the same elapsed times when they compare signals, and that reason has
nothing to do with one of them running slower than the other. 

Now, what happens in the GPS system is that the output of the ideal clock
on the GPS is sent through another filter, whose output is a slightly
different rate than the rate of the ideal clock it’s wrapped around. The
output of the filter is therefore no longer an ideal clock. They
deliberately make a nonideal clock on the GPS to compensate for this other
effect (understood by relativity) that makes the elapsed times different. 
To put it a slightly different way, the rate of one clock is adjusted so
that the elapsed time will agree with a ground clock, to compensate for an
effect that has nothing to do with the rates of the ideal clocks. It is
very tempting to say that if you are adjusting the rate of a clock, then
you’re doing it because the original rate wasn’t right. But that it’s true
here. It’s true because there is something else going on. 

> When we used to calibrate radar repeaters in the Navy, it was because
> they did not agree with actual times and distances.   
>> 
>>> The clocks are adjusted to agree with a clock on earth, but the
>>> transitions of the cesium atoms do not agree with each other.    
>> 
>> That’s true that the signal do not stay in synch even though they have the
>> same clock rates. Accounting for this fact without falsely claiming that
>> the laws of physics are different up there on the GPS satellite is
>> precisely what relativity does. 
>> 
> Well, gravitation is one law of physics that differs from place to place
> if there is relativity of time.   

No, that is not correct. I know you believe so because you somehow think
that 32 ft per second per second is the law of gravitation. But it helps to
first ask, what exactly is the law of gravitation, and is that law the same
regardless of reference frame? When you get the first part of that question
right then it makes sense to ask the other part. 

>>>>> That is
>>>>>> first of all not true, and that’s not what time being relative even means
>>>>>> in relativity. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You say there are only ideal clocks and broken clocks.  Your idea is that
>>>>>>> the entire universe is controlled by the rate of transitions of a cesium
>>>>>>> atom compared to a fraction of the time it takes for an insignificant
>>>>>>> planet of a small star on the edge of a minor galaxy to rotate on its axis.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Heck no, I didn’t say that. Look again at what I did say rather than
>>>>>> falling into your bad habit of lying about what people say when you feel
>>>>>> attached. 
>>>>> Your claim is that transitions of cesium atoms are the building block
>>>>> upon which all existence depends. 
>>>> 
>>>> Repeating a lie does not make it so. What repeating a lie does is erode
>>>> your character. 
>>>> 
>>> Well, I cannot interpret what you say any other way.  Everything has to
>>> be referenced to transitions of a cesium atom on the planet earth.  
>> 
>> No, that is simply not true. I told you earlier in this conversation that
>> the use of cesium atom hyperfine transitions is simply a handy
>> technological choice of many other candidates of comparable stability and
>> reproducibility. Now, there are also lots of others like the rotation of
>> one of Jupiter’s moons that doesn’t have that stability or reproducibility.
>> But cesium is by no means the only choice. The idea of a standard, though,
>> is to PICK one out of a pool of equal candidates, and stick with that one
>> until something dramatically better (in terms of precision, stability, and
>> reproducibility) shows up. 
> 
> The problem I see with your method of counting time is that you end up
> with a length contraction.  

I honestly have a hard time understanding why having something that is
actually observed in experiment is ever a problem. 

I don’t go to California, discover that it is really there, and then worry
that later discussions go down roads where you end up with the existence of
California. If I have a method of investigating things that ends up with
California being claimed, then I say, well ok then, because I know about
evidence of California. 

On the other hand, if I personally decided that I didn’t like California,
and I’d never seen it myself, and I decided never to click on a link that
someone provided about evidence of California, and I couldn’t convince
anyone describe for me the evidence of California on a newsgroup I thought
I owned, then none of that would change the fact that California’s
existence has been firmly established. 

> 
>>> Then, wherever else a cesium atom may be, you claim it is doing exactly
>>> what a cesium atom on earth does.  So do you believe scientists or not?  
>> 
>> Yes  I do. I believe Galileo’s principle about the laws of physics being
>> the same in all reference frames. 
>> 
>> 
>>> They say that an ideal clock in a GPS satellite is faster than an
>>> identical clock on earth.  
>> 
>> No they don’t. We just got through reiterating that. This may be the way a
>> journalist or even a scientist speaking loosely and sloppily to the public
>> might say it, but scientists when they are being precise in their language
>> do not say that the ideal clock on the GPS satellite runs any differently
>> than one on earth. 
>> 
>> I don’t know how many times you’d like me to repeat what scientists
>> actually say. 
> 
> Well, what you would need to do is explain why during specific events,
> one cesium atom has more transitions than the other.  

That’s what special relativity is all about. Would you like a good reading
reference?

> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 15:39 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-07 10:26 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-08 14:05 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-08-09 03:15 +0200
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-08-09 05:11 +0200
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-08-09 05:14 +0200
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-09 06:41 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-08-10 17:19 +0200
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 16:46 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 18:42 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-10 14:51 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 15:45 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-10 16:08 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 22:15 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 23:05 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 16:39 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-08-11 01:58 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 19:02 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-11 14:00 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-11 14:35 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-11 22:35 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-11 15:45 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-11 15:46 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-12 00:58 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-12 04:53 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-12 07:20 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-11 22:19 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-12 00:13 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-12 21:51 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-13 04:06 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-13 11:52 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-12 18:32 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-08-12 19:55 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-13 13:21 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-13 08:13 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-13 15:42 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-15 07:20 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-15 07:48 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 18:13 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-15 14:46 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-15 19:48 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 22:40 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-16 04:12 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-16 12:52 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-16 20:18 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-17 03:38 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-17 21:54 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-17 18:10 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-17 21:35 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-17 21:57 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 22:41 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-18 23:39 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-16 11:04 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 20:49 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 16:06 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 23:50 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 19:30 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 11:33 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 17:09 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 19:41 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 13:39 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-19 06:57 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 15:44 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 15:07 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-19 09:11 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-19 07:17 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-19 07:54 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Icano Bologna <ob@woccgn.cc> - 2018-08-19 15:42 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 22:18 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 15:44 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-18 13:44 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-19 18:21 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-19 11:50 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-19 23:36 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-20 16:40 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-20 19:27 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-20 13:25 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 11:02 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 22:42 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-20 17:04 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-20 21:17 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-20 21:08 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-20 22:48 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 13:13 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-21 08:58 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 17:08 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-21 12:48 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 20:44 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-21 23:21 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 15:44 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 15:05 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 22:17 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-19 15:50 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 16:05 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-19 16:27 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 23:40 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 14:46 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-20 08:13 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-20 15:39 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 22:56 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-19 18:56 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 22:58 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 22:48 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 14:46 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-19 15:29 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 15:56 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-20 08:40 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 09:24 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 16:42 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 11:21 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-20 19:47 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 13:40 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 21:14 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 16:24 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 13:04 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 08:46 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 16:30 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 13:54 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-21 14:12 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 21:34 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-21 23:47 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 18:31 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 18:23 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 02:23 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 23:18 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 12:21 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 06:48 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 14:39 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 09:50 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 20:43 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 15:45 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-23 02:12 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 19:47 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-08-22 14:45 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 07:32 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-21 10:05 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 14:14 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-21 14:25 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 18:17 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-21 20:26 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 23:29 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 16:27 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 21:14 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 21:14 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 16:31 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 13:13 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 08:50 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 16:30 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-21 09:37 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 13:57 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-21 14:18 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 18:07 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-08-22 14:40 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 07:30 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 14:58 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-22 08:40 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-08-23 13:54 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-23 07:39 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-08-24 00:34 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-25 12:36 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-08-27 14:57 +0100
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 21:38 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 18:28 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 02:29 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 23:23 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 12:21 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 07:08 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 14:53 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-22 08:38 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 20:30 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-22 21:39 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 10:10 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 20:43 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 16:13 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-25 15:11 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-26 05:10 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 07:17 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 14:53 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 10:12 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 20:43 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 16:20 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 20:25 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-22 21:37 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 22:15 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-23 10:33 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-23 10:37 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-23 11:15 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-22 17:22 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-22 10:35 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 12:54 -0700

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