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Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
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Subject	Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity
Date	2018-08-02 01:29 +0000
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Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 5:03:29 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 1:48:46 PM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 2:37:44 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Well, I disagree because the Galilean transformation equations indicate
>>>>>>> something different.  The muon is moving relative to the earth, not the
>>>>>>> other way around.   
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It’s funny you say the Galilean transforms indicate that. Galileo, after
>>>>>> all, was the champion of relative motion, and in his writings he took great
>>>>>> pains to indicate that which of two objects can be said to be moving is
>>>>>> purely an accident of frame of reference. So I’m beginning to think you are
>>>>>> mostly unaware of what Galileo said. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> Galileo was not the one who figured out gravitation.  Newton was the one
>>>>> who did that.  What we notice is that the Galilean transformation
>>>>> equations agree with gravitation, whereas, the Lorentz equations do not.  
>>>> 
>>>> That’s incorrect. General relativity is Lorentz covariant. 
>>>> 
>>> It is all based on the false concept that the times of clocks with
>>> different rates result in the same velocity between frames of reference.  
>> 
>> That’s simply not true. It is all based on Lorentz covariance. Explicitly. 
>> 
> No, the Lorentz equations are based on the idea that there is only one
> speed between frames of reference which can be obtained from either of
> two clocks that do not agree with each other.

No, Robert, that is not correct. The Lorentz transform is based on a kind
of symmetry, and has nothing to do with arranging things so that certain
outcomes happen algebraically. 

>  
>>>>> Well, I told you that time is relative, and you rejected that concept.  
>>>> 
>>>> Well, no. You said the GPS clock runs slower than the earth clock.
>>> 
>>> Wrong.  Scientists say that a clock in a GPS satellite is faster than an
>>> identical earth clock.
>> 
>> No, they do not. You may have read a popularization authored by a contract
>> magazine journalist, but writing about science doesn’t make you a
>> scientist. 
> 
> Well, OK, you say that an ideal clock in a GPS satellite is not faster
> than a clock on earth. 

That is correct. 

> The fact is that it comes down once again to transitions of cesium atoms.  

Yes, and the laws of physics that govern those transitions are exactly the
same here on earth as they are on the GPS satellite, in accordance with
Galileo’s principle. 

> The clocks are adjusted to agree with a clock on earth, but the
> transitions of the cesium atoms do not agree with each other.    

That’s true that the signal do not stay in synch even though they have the
same clock rates. Accounting for this fact without falsely claiming that
the laws of physics are different up there on the GPS satellite is
precisely what relativity does. 

>>> 
>>> That is
>>>> first of all not true, and that’s not what time being relative even means
>>>> in relativity. 
>>>> 
>>>>> You say there are only ideal clocks and broken clocks.  Your idea is that
>>>>> the entire universe is controlled by the rate of transitions of a cesium
>>>>> atom compared to a fraction of the time it takes for an insignificant
>>>>> planet of a small star on the edge of a minor galaxy to rotate on its axis.  
>>>> 
>>>> Heck no, I didn’t say that. Look again at what I did say rather than
>>>> falling into your bad habit of lying about what people say when you feel
>>>> attached. 
>>> Your claim is that transitions of cesium atoms are the building block
>>> upon which all existence depends. 
>> 
>> Repeating a lie does not make it so. What repeating a lie does is erode
>> your character. 
>> 
> Well, I cannot interpret what you say any other way.  Everything has to
> be referenced to transitions of a cesium atom on the planet earth.  

No, that is simply not true. I told you earlier in this conversation that
the use of cesium atom hyperfine transitions is simply a handy
technological choice of many other candidates of comparable stability and
reproducibility. Now, there are also lots of others like the rotation of
one of Jupiter’s moons that doesn’t have that stability or reproducibility.
But cesium is by no means the only choice. The idea of a standard, though,
is to PICK one out of a pool of equal candidates, and stick with that one
until something dramatically better (in terms of precision, stability, and
reproducibility) shows up. 

> Then, wherever else a cesium atom may be, you claim it is doing exactly
> what a cesium atom on earth does.  So do you believe scientists or not?  

Yes  I do. I believe Galileo’s principle about the laws of physics being
the same in all reference frames. 


> They say that an ideal clock in a GPS satellite is faster than an
> identical clock on earth.  

No they don’t. We just got through reiterating that. This may be the way a
journalist or even a scientist speaking loosely and sloppily to the public
might say it, but scientists when they are being precise in their language
do not say that the ideal clock on the GPS satellite runs any differently
than one on earth. 

I don’t know how many times you’d like me to repeat what scientists
actually say. 

> That means that transitions of cesium atoms in a cesium clock in a GPS
> satellite are faster than transitions of cesium atoms in a cesium clock on earth.  
>  
>>> I say that the rate of transitions of cesium atoms varies depending on
>>> conditions of motion and gravitation.
>> 
>> And that is not so. That is in fact counter to the principle of relativity,
>> first proposed by Galileo. 
>> 
>>> 
>>>>> Why not the time it takes for one of Jupiter's moons to rotate?
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Because that is not a physical process that is as stable and precise and
>>>> reproducible in a clock at rest in any desired reference frame as the
>>>> cesium atom process is, so it’s not as good a standard. But there are
>>>> certainly other good candidates. 
>>> 
>>> You missed the point of that example.  OK, you are never going to vary
>>> from your belief that the rate of transitions of a cesium atom on earth
>>> is the standard by which all things in the universe are measured. 
>> 
>> Which is your lie. 
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 15:39 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-06 15:34 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-07 10:26 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-08 14:05 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-08-09 03:15 +0200
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-08-09 05:11 +0200
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-08-09 05:14 +0200
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-09 06:41 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-08-10 17:19 +0200
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 16:46 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 18:42 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-10 14:51 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 15:45 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-10 16:08 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 22:15 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 23:05 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 16:39 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-08-11 01:58 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-10 19:02 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-11 14:00 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-11 14:35 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-11 22:35 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-11 15:45 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-11 15:46 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-12 00:58 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-12 04:53 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-12 07:20 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-11 22:19 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-12 00:13 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-12 21:51 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-13 04:06 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-13 11:52 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-12 18:32 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-08-12 19:55 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-13 13:21 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-13 08:13 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-13 15:42 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-15 07:20 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-15 07:48 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 18:13 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-15 14:46 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-15 19:48 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-15 22:40 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-16 04:12 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-16 12:52 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-16 20:18 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-17 03:38 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-17 21:54 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-17 18:10 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-17 21:35 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-17 21:57 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 22:41 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-18 23:39 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-16 11:04 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 20:49 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 16:06 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 23:50 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-16 19:30 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-17 11:33 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 17:09 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 19:41 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-18 13:39 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-19 06:57 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 15:44 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 15:07 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-19 09:11 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-19 07:17 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-19 07:54 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Icano Bologna <ob@woccgn.cc> - 2018-08-19 15:42 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 22:18 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 15:44 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-18 13:44 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-19 18:21 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-19 11:50 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-19 23:36 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-20 16:40 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-20 19:27 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-20 13:25 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 11:02 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 22:42 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-20 17:04 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-20 21:17 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-20 21:08 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-20 22:48 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 13:13 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-21 08:58 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 17:08 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-21 12:48 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 20:44 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-21 23:21 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 15:44 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 15:05 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 22:17 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-19 15:50 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 16:05 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-19 16:27 -0700
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 23:40 +0000
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                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 14:46 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-20 08:13 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Jed Sosebee <eue@eosgps.pn> - 2018-08-20 15:39 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 22:56 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-19 18:56 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 22:58 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 22:48 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 14:46 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-19 15:29 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-19 15:56 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-08-20 08:40 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 09:24 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 16:42 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 11:21 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-20 19:47 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 13:40 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 21:14 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 16:24 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 13:04 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 08:46 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 16:30 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 13:54 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-21 14:12 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 21:34 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-08-21 23:47 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 18:31 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 18:23 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 02:23 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 23:18 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 12:21 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 06:48 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 14:39 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 09:50 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 20:43 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 15:45 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-23 02:12 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 19:47 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-08-22 14:45 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 07:32 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-21 10:05 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 14:14 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-21 14:25 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 18:17 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-21 20:26 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 23:29 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 16:27 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 21:14 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 21:14 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-20 16:31 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 13:13 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 08:50 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 16:30 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-21 09:37 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 13:57 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-08-21 14:18 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 18:07 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-08-22 14:40 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 07:30 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 14:58 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-22 08:40 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-08-23 13:54 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-23 07:39 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-08-24 00:34 +0200
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-25 12:36 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-08-27 14:57 +0100
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 21:38 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 18:28 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 02:29 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-21 23:23 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 12:21 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 07:08 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 14:53 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-22 08:38 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 20:30 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-22 21:39 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 10:10 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 20:43 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 16:13 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-25 15:11 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-26 05:10 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 07:17 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 14:53 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 10:12 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 20:43 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 16:20 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 20:25 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-22 21:37 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 22:15 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-08-23 10:33 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-23 10:37 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-23 11:15 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-08-22 17:22 +0000
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-08-22 10:35 -0700
                Re: Newton and Galilean Relativity Robert Winn <rbwinn3@gmail.com> - 2018-08-22 12:54 -0700

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