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| From | Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics |
| Subject | Re: Global Warming is a religion |
| Date | 2018-05-16 20:14 -0500 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
| Message-ID | <pdil15$1i85$1@gioia.aioe.org> (permalink) |
| References | (13 earlier) <pda8vk$1ioo$1@gioia.aioe.org> <flro4hFhajbU1@mid.individual.net> <pdhs79$aj8$1@gioia.aioe.org> <fm3iseF98hqU1@mid.individual.net> <un2LC.141963$1e7.97459@fx38.iad> |
On 5/16/2018 5:36 PM, benj wrote: > On 5/16/2018 4:32 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >> On 17/05/2018 4:10 AM, Sergio wrote: >>> On 5/13/2018 4:13 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>> On 14/05/2018 6:59 AM, Sergio wrote: >>>>> On 5/13/2018 3:39 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>> On 13/05/2018 4:06 PM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 11:31 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 10:21 AM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 5/12/2018 2:46 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 13/05/2018 1:20 AM, Sergio wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 5/11/2018 11:52 PM, Trevor Wilson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/05/2018 2:11 PM, James McGinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 1:18:59 PM UTC-7, reber G=emc^2 >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 12:25:37 PM UTC-7, James McGinn >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 10:55:51 AM UTC-7, reber >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> G=emc^2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, May 10, 2018 at 10:43:02 AM UTC-7, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pnal...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really, Jim, you should be peddling your Snake Oil in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forum, you have worn out your welcome in this one. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone knows, without a shred of a doubt, that you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another physics Crank with a goofy theory that has neither >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> observations nor experiments to offer as evidence to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are just another waste of oxygen who is in search >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> audience, and there is zero chance that you are a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> physicist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you don't even know that basics of that branch of science. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Go away, once and for all... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P.E.Worlds biggest air polluter will tell you the earth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dirty coal.Trump is now their big gun. Get the picture Bert >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CO2 is beneficial. There is zero evidence that it warms the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> atmosphere. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Get the picture? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> CO2 acts as an insulating blanket.Heat doesnot leak back into >>>>>>>>>>>>>> space.That is reality of global warming.Bert >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you believe that? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> **You seem to think that science is a belief system. It isn't. >>>>>>>>>>>> Your >>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs are not relevant. Science involves hypothesis, theory, >>>>>>>>>>>> experiment and proof. The FACT that CO2 acts as a greenhouse >>>>>>>>>>>> gas was >>>>>>>>>>>> proven way back in the 19th century. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> same with Water Vapor, it is a greenhouse gas, and dominates the >>>>>>>>>>> others >>>>>>>>>>> as it is 50% >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> **Not quite. Water vapour is certainly the dominant GHG, most >>>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>>> time and in most places. To say that it's Solar forcing factor is >>>>>>>>>> 50% is >>>>>>>>>> a gross and highly misleading over-simplification. Depending on >>>>>>>>>> location, time of day and year, water vapour's Solar forcing >>>>>>>>>> ranges >>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>> 36% ~ 72%. CO2 ranges from 9% ~ 26%. So yes, water vapour is the >>>>>>>>>> dominant GHG, BUT, to label CO2 as 'insignificant' would be a >>>>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>>>> dumb thing to say. CO2 is a significant GHG. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> so water vapor is 3 to 4 time greater than CO2. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> **Nope. Read what I wrote. It is not as simplistic as you would >>>>>>>> want it >>>>>>>> to be. Both gases vary considerably, depending on time of day >>>>>>>> and from >>>>>>>> year to year. In any case, why do you continue to try to >>>>>>>> simplify it? >>>>>>>> Just state the facts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> its ratioed, 36%/9% =4 and 72%/26% = 3 good ballpark of 3 to 4. >>>>>> >>>>>> **This is not 'best guess' stuff. This is science. Your errors are so >>>>>> huge that any predictions of global warming, using your data would be >>>>>> utterly useless. Let's stick the actual data, not your wild >>>>>> approximations. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The data *you presented* says Water Vapor is 3 to 4 times greater than >>>>> CO2 at glowball warming. >>>> >>>> **That is NOT what I presented, you fucking liar. >>> >>> no need for course words, >> >> **"course words"? >> >> In any case, you're a fucking liar. It's a fact. >> >> >>> it is written, and google has it now forever, you posted it on >>> 5/12/2018, right after benj, this thread >>> >>> MID >>> >>> <flna9lFhfqfU1@mid.individual.net> <pd70p1$6nt$1@gioia.aioe.org> >>> >>> Quote; >>> >>> "**Not quite. Water vapour is certainly the dominant GHG, most of the >>> time and in most places. To say that it's Solar forcing factor is 50% is >>> a gross and highly misleading over-simplification. Depending on >>> location, time of day and year, water vapour's Solar forcing ranges from >>> 36% ~ 72%. CO2 ranges from 9% ~ 26%. So yes, water vapour is the >>> dominant GHG, BUT, to label CO2 as 'insignificant' would be a really >>> dumb thing to say. CO2 is a significant GHG." >>> >>> remember ? >> >> **Correct. I did NOT say: "3 to 4 times greater..." >> >> Quote me correctly, or I will continue to call you a fucking liar, >> because that is what you are. >> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>>>> get over it. it is simple math using your data. google " >>>>> ratio " >>>>> >>>>> guess you do not know math, which means you do not know science >>>>> either. >>>> >>>> **LOL! Let's read further and see how much math you know. See the >>>> end of >>>> this message for your snipped section. Idiot. >>> >>> " Ever ski on the slopes of tensor calculus ? " -Sergio >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And we cannot do anything about water vapor at all. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> **Well, not quite. A warming planet, through excessive CO2 >>>>>>>> emissions, >>>>>>>> causes more evaporation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and more evaporation causes more rain. >>>>>> >>>>>> **It MAY cause more rain, or it may cause more water vapour to >>>>>> remain in >>>>>> the atmosphere. >>>>> >>>>> so which is it? >>>> >>>> **Both. >>>> >>>> and why? >>>> >>>> **See: 'The hydrologic cycle'. Google it. It's basic year 10 school >>>> stuff. Ask a 10 year old, if you can't understand it. >>>> >>>> or are you waiting for me to tell you ? >>>> >>>> **I've provided a starting point for you. Off you go. Even your >>>> lap-dog, >>>> benj, might understand it. >> >> >> **Have you studied the hydrologic cycle yet? There will be questions, >> so study up. >> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> so, what are you propose to do >>>>>>> about water vapor ? >>>>>> >>>>>> **You keep asking that question. Refer to my previous responses. When >>>>>> you ask the question again, refer, again, to my previous responses. >>>>> >>>>> your responce is un-responsive, like a zombie >>>> >>>> **Nope. I've already answered your question. Refer to my previous >>>> 'responce' (sic). >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> nothing, cant, that term cannot be fixed >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and we cannot do anything about CO2 except 0.1% of it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> **Really? How do you arrive at that figure? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> internet sources, here are some others, do you have any solid ones ? >>>>>> >>>>>> **Cite. >>>>> >>>>> you do not have any other evidence to counter 0.1 % CO2 >>>> >>>> **Cite your source of the 0.1% claim. >>>> >>> >>> https://www.space.com/17683-earth-atmosphere.html >> >> **Failure to answer duly noted. >> >> Let me remind you of YOUR claim: >> >> "and we cannot do anything about CO2 except 0.1% of it." >> >>> >>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Percentage we are (supposedly) responsible for= 0.1% >>>>>> >>>>>> **Cite. >>>> >>>> **Cite. >> >> >> **Cite. >> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 0% is man made. >>>>>> >>>>>> **That would be extremely pedantic of you. Humans are responsible for >>>>>> the release of billions of Tonnes of CO2 in the atmosphere. >>>>>> >>>>>> The carbon has been on this planet since it was >>>>>>> created. >>>>>> >>>>>> **Duh. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It was once in the air and was captured by plants that later >>>>>>> turned into coal and oil. Man is just releasing back into the air >>>>>>> what >>>>>>> was once there in the first place. Right now there is about >>>>>>> 380ppm of >>>>>>> CO2 in the air. >>>>>> >>>>>> **BZZTT! It's MUCH closer to 410ppm. It was 380ppm way back in 2006. >>>>> >>>>> and that is only a 0.038% or 0.00038 of air. >>>> >>> >>> https://www.space.com/17683-earth-atmosphere.html >> >> ** >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere#Current_concentration >> >> >> "It currently constitutes about 0.041% by volume of the atmosphere, >> (equal to 410 ppm)" >> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> of that human contribute less than 3% of that, or .0000114 >>>>> >>>>> parts per MILLION a trace gas bonehead >>>> >>>> **And again: What is your point? >> >> **And again: What is your point? >> >> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> In the past it was over 5000ppm and the earth did just >>>>>>> fine. >>>>>> >>>>>> **Well, it did, except sea levels were several hundred Metres higher >>>>>> than they are today. It was also MUCH hotter. Too hot for human >>>>>> survival. >>>>> >>>>> URL ? >>>> >>>> ** >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_sea_level#/media/File:Phanerozoic_Sea_Level.png >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> how much hotter ? >>>> >>>> ** >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologic_temperature_record#/media/File:65_Myr_Climate_Change.png >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 1 degree C ? >>>> >>>> ** Nope. Nearer 12 degrees C. >>>> >>>> >>>> How much higher was the ocean >>>>> in feet ? >>>> >>>> **No idea. No scientist on this planet uses such arcane measurements >>>> anymore. If you want to discuss science, then you need to adopt the >>>> measurements used in science. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> get to specifics. >>>> >>>> **Done. Unlike you, I supplied the requested cites. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> And, to re-state: >>>>>> >>>>>> No one ever claimed that the planet would not be fine with higher >>>>>> atmospheric CO2 levels. The problem is that many humans will >>>>>> experience >>>>>> considerable difficulty with global warming. >>>>>> >>>>>> No tipping point. >>>>> >>>>> <snip crap> >>>> >>>> >>>> **And here is where I unsnip your stupidity How about you answer my >>>> questions, since I answered all of yours): >>>> >>>> **Well, it could be argued that the high CO2 WERE the result of a >>>> 'tipping point'. >>> >>> na >>> https://www.space.com/17683-earth-atmosphere.html >> >> **Failure to make a valid point duly noted. >> >> >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> About 6% comes from human activities , totally overwhelmed by natural >>>>> sources. >>>> >>>> **Huh? If I could obtain a 6% year on year interest on my investments >>>> for 150 years, I'd be pretty damned happy. Like it or not, humans have >>>> increased atmospheric CO2 levels by around 43%. That means your 6% is >>>> VERY significant. >>> >>> cite? >> >> **Cite what? YOU made the 6% claim. >> >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> So before it was something like 0.3% but over the last 20 years it has >>>>> risen to 0.4%, and so that is what is causing all the problems... >>>> >>>> **What the fuck are you talking about now? >>> >>> science dude. >>> https://www.space.com/17683-earth-atmosphere.html >> >> **Again: What the fuck are you talking about now? >> >> CO2 concentration is currently around 410ppm (0.041%, NOT 0.4%). Your >> figures are out by more than an order of magnitude! If you make such >> fundamental errors, time after time, how can we possibly believe a >> single word you type. >> >> You don't know the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, you don't know >> that CO2 is a molecule and you seem to think that the "Sun hits CO2 >> atoms". >> >> So much ignorance and so little time to educate. >> >>> >>>> >>>> More of your ignorance? >>> >>> insults towards me, only get you more science >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Earth >> >> **I don't insult you. I merely draw your attention to you more >> egregious errors. > > Yeah, Sergio misspells quite a bit! > > Hey Trevor, look at this: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Earth#/media/File:Atmosphere_gas_proportions.svg > > > See that Pie chart for CO2? Just as you've been telling the deniers all > along, CO2 is almost 94% of the minor gasses!!!! > > Obviously YOU are right and yapping Sergio and Benj are dead wrong as > usual. CO2 is a MAJOR minor gas. There can be little doubt now that you > know your stuff! > > >>>> So, what the fuck are you talking about? >>> >>> >>> https://www.space.com/17683-earth-atmosphere.html >>> >> >> **OK, I get it now: You don't understand and you don't knw, so you >> just blather. > > I think we just proved that above where we found CO2 to be a MAJOR minor > gas! Trevor you da man! > > > Chortle (Rule #5) well, I think they left out water vapor in that one. Must be dried air, the kind McGinn likes. but it is major minor gas for sure 0.000407 is not nothing.
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Global Warming is a religion James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-05-10 09:56 -0700
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Re: Global Warming is a religion "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-05-10 10:55 -0700
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Re: Global Warming is a religion James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-05-10 16:30 -0700
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Re: Global Warming is a religion James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-05-10 18:16 -0700
Re: Global Warming is a religion "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 13:18 -0700
Re: Global Warming is a religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-11 15:28 -0500
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Re: Global Warming is a religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-11 23:03 -0500
Re: Global Warming is a religion "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-05-11 14:49 -0700
Re: Global Warming is a religion benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-11 20:58 -0400
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Re: Global Warming is a religion Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-12 14:52 +1000
Re: Global Warming is a religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-12 10:20 -0500
Re: Global Warming is a religion benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-12 14:55 -0400
Re: Global Warming is a religion James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 12:27 -0700
Re: Global Warming is a religion Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-13 05:46 +1000
Re: Global Warming is a religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-12 19:21 -0500
Re: Global Warming is a religion Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-13 14:31 +1000
Re: Global Warming is a religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-13 01:06 -0500
Re: Global Warming is a religion Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-14 06:39 +1000
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Re: Global Warming is a religion Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 06:32 +1000
Re: Global Warming is a religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-16 16:05 -0500
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Re: Global Warming is a religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-16 20:08 -0500
Re: Global Warming is a religion Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-17 13:30 +1000
Re: Global Warming is a religion benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-16 18:36 -0400
Re: Global Warming is a religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-16 20:14 -0500
Re: Global Warming is a religion James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 08:36 -0700
Re: Global Warming is a religion Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-13 05:42 +1000
Re: Global Warming is a religion Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 19:19 -0700
Re: Global Warming is a religion James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 08:53 -0700
Re: Global Warming is a religion "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-05-10 12:54 -0700
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Re: Global Warming is a religion James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 10:23 -0700
Re: Global Warming is a religion pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-05-22 14:35 -0700
Re: Global Warming is a religion James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-05-22 16:28 -0700
Re: Global Warming is a religion Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-11 13:52 +1000
Re: Global Warming is a religion James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 07:45 -0700
Re: Global Warming is a religion Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-12 06:49 +1000
Re: Global Warming is a religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-11 18:27 -0500
Re: Global Warming is a religion Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-12 11:59 +1000
Re: Global Warming is a religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-12 00:02 -0500
Re: Global Warming is a religion benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-11 21:13 -0400
Re: Global Warming is a religion Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-12 12:00 +1000
Re: Global Warming is a religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-12 10:25 -0500
Re: Global Warming is a religion benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-12 15:00 -0400
Re: Global Warming is a religion James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 08:40 -0700
Re: Global Warming is a religion Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-13 06:01 +1000
Re: Global Warming is a religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-12 19:17 -0500
Re: Global Warming is a religion benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-12 21:07 -0400
Re: Global Warming is a religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-12 22:13 -0500
Re: Global Warming is a religion pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-05-12 13:40 -0700
Re: Global Warming is a religion "reber G=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 14:52 -0700
Re: Global Warming is a religion Double-A <double-a3@hush.com> - 2018-05-12 16:03 -0700
Re: Global Warming is a religion "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-05-12 17:45 -0700
Re: Global Warming is a religion James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 16:18 -0700
Re: Global Warming is a religion Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-12 19:22 -0500
Re: Global Warming is a religion James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 17:57 -0700
Re: Global Warming is a religion benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-12 14:42 -0400
Re: Global Warming is a religion Trevor Wilson <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> - 2018-05-13 05:49 +1000
Re: Global Warming is a religion Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 04:34 -0700
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