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Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic

From Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Newsgroups sci.math
Subject Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic
Date 2018-05-14 17:33 +0000
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David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> wrote:

> Alan Mackenzie wrote:

>> there is no 
>> sign in the post with which you opened this thread that you understand 
>> Cantor's proof, in particular, or proof by contradiction in general. 


> Since you've been rather rude to me, .....

Toughen up, this is Usenet.  Your opening post in this thread made
outrageous suggestions (just, as an example, that a part of standard
maths isn't maths at all), and what you call rudeness is what you
intended to provoke.

At one point you were talking about manipulating the individual elements
of a list that does not, and cannot exist.  You introduce this impossible
list by saying "if we have a provably well-defined list of provable
well-defined real numbers ....".  You begin by assuming the converse of
what Cantor proves.  This doesn't suggest understanding, or a desire for
clarity.

Please settle the matter you quoted me writing.  Do you understand
Cantor's proof?  Do you understand proof by contradiction?  I will accept
your (straightforward) answers.

> .... I'm going to offer you some advice.

> Learn something about constructivism.  Try to understand why the
> constructivists reject proof by contradiction.  The Wikipedia is a good
> place to start.

I've skimmed the article in the English wikipedia on Constructivism.  I
don't find it, as yet, an attractive philosophy.  It may surprise you to
learn that I don't find the theory of transfinite numbers attractive
either, but at least I'm not about to try to demote rigorous mathematical
results to the realm of "non-mathematics".

It strikes me, as a novice to the topic, that constructive mathematics is
going to have difficulty proving theorems of the form "There does not
exist ...." or "There exist an infinite number of ....", but no doubt
that would become clearer from more intense study.

Also, it seems constructive mathematics is going to be less rich, and
less full than standard mathematics.  To give up proof by contradiction
would be to leave easily proven theorems provable only with great
difficulty, or possibly not at all.  All for what?

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).

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The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 11:20 -0700
  Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2018-05-11 19:33 +0000
    Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 13:16 -0700
      Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-05-11 16:48 -0700
      Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-11 18:31 -0700
        Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-11 18:46 -0700
          Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-11 18:49 -0700
            Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-12 00:59 -0700
              Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-12 02:20 -0700
            Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 12:43 -0700
              Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-12 14:09 -0700
        Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 12:40 -0700
          Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2018-05-12 20:48 +0000
            Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 14:50 -0700
              Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2018-05-13 01:00 +0000
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 15:10 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2018-05-14 17:33 +0000
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 21:09 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2018-05-15 19:19 +0000
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 13:50 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-15 21:34 -0500
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic FredJeffries <fredjeffries@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 09:10 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic FredJeffries <fredjeffries@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 09:15 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-15 05:33 -0700
            Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-12 19:02 -0400
              Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-13 01:38 -0700
              Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-14 21:40 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-15 05:22 -0400
            Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-13 01:31 -0700
              Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-13 03:51 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-13 05:18 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-13 06:59 -0700
              Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2018-05-13 11:02 +0000
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-13 05:37 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Alan Smaill <smaill@SPAMinf.ed.ac.uk> - 2018-05-13 21:57 +0100
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-14 04:44 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Alan Smaill <smaill@SPAMinf.ed.ac.uk> - 2018-05-14 13:29 +0100
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-14 07:42 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-14 09:36 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-14 09:42 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Alan Smaill <smaill@SPAMinf.ed.ac.uk> - 2018-05-14 18:29 +0100
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-14 12:03 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-14 12:06 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-14 12:10 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 13:44 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Alan Smaill <smaill@SPAMinf.ed.ac.uk> - 2018-05-14 18:16 +0100
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-15 05:44 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-14 06:38 -0700
          Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-12 17:58 -0700
            Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-12 18:04 -0700
              Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-12 18:19 -0700
      Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic FredJeffries <fredjeffries@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 09:14 -0700
        Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-15 10:07 -0700
          Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic FredJeffries <fredjeffries@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 09:26 -0700
            Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 11:18 -0700
              Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic FredJeffries <fredjeffries@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 12:26 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-16 14:06 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-16 15:53 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-16 19:07 -0400
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-17 01:17 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2018-05-17 09:42 -0400
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-16 17:40 -0700
        Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-15 11:06 -0700
    Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-12 01:05 -0700
    Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic David Petry <davidlpetry@gmail.com> - 2018-05-12 12:57 -0700
      Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2018-05-13 00:20 +0000
  Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic "Shobe, Martin" <martin.shobe@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-11 20:03 -0500
    Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-12 00:59 -0700
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      Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-12 02:55 -0700
        Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-12 03:04 -0700
        Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-05-12 03:06 -0700
          Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-12 03:09 -0700
            Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-12 03:13 -0700
              Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2018-05-12 03:20 -0700
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  Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-12 01:14 -0700
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      Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-13 11:08 -0700
        Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic wpihughes@gmail.com - 2018-05-13 12:05 -0700
          Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-13 12:53 -0700
      Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-15 11:02 -0700
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              Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-16 14:00 -0700
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                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-19 04:58 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-19 05:28 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-19 05:34 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-19 05:36 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-19 05:46 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Zeit Geist <Tucsondrew@me.com> - 2018-05-19 09:00 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-20 03:21 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-05-19 02:01 +0200
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Alan Smaill <smaill@SPAMinf.ed.ac.uk> - 2018-05-21 16:40 +0100
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-21 09:06 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-21 13:52 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-22 05:45 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-22 08:27 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-22 13:29 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-22 13:43 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-22 13:52 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-23 06:06 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Zeit Geist <Tucsondrew@me.com> - 2018-05-22 17:30 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-23 06:06 -0700
        Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic wpihughes@gmail.com - 2018-05-15 17:14 -0700
          Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-16 11:26 -0700
            Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic wpihughes@gmail.com - 2018-05-16 16:35 -0700
              Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-17 05:03 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 05:33 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-17 09:31 -0700
  Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-13 12:40 -0500
  Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-13 22:36 -0700
    Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-14 04:49 -0700
      Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic Zelos Malum <zelos.malum@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 01:34 -0700
        Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@hs-augsburg.de> - 2018-05-17 05:08 -0700
          Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-17 10:03 -0700
            Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-17 10:06 -0700
              Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-17 10:19 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-17 10:26 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic bursejan@gmail.com - 2018-05-17 10:30 -0700
                Re: The fundamental theorem of set theory is problematic FredJeffries <fredjeffries@gmail.com> - 2018-05-17 12:29 -0700

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