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Re: The Shape of the Universe.

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: The Shape of the Universe.
Date	2018-04-25 22:25 +0000
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David (Kronos Prime) Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Odd Bodkin obfuscated
> 
> David (Kronos Prime) Fuller <fuller...@hotmail.com> wrote: 
>> hanson wrote: 
>> 
>> So, if "space is expanding" what is space expanding into? 
> 
> Nothing. Is that a problem? 
> 
> Obfuscate Much??
> 

Not really. What’s happening is that a concept does not meet your
expectations, and so there is a dissonance, and you blame the answerer for
your confusion, when the real problem is internal. 

Here, you have imagined that expansion is a term that can only apply to
something with an outer boundary, and so you imagine that expansion is
visualized by watching that boundary move outward. This is what leads to
the question of “expanding into what?” But the reality is that expansion is
a perfectly understandable concept with or without an outer boundary.
Without an outer boundary, the meaning of expansion is simple: things in
the space are getting further apart. Period. So there is no outer boundary
involved and in fact there does not even need to be ANY outer boundary,
involved or not. And if there is no outer boundary, then “expanding into
what?” Is a meaningless question. 

Watch your internal unspoken assumptions. They are likely wrong. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

Thread

The Shape of the Universe. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-17 23:36 -0700
  Re: The Shape of the Universe. "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-04-18 00:12 -0700
    Re: The Shape of the Universe. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-18 00:42 -0700
      Re: The Shape of the Universe. Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2018-04-18 22:26 +1000
        Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-18 05:34 -0700
        Re: The Shape of the Universe. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-18 17:02 -0700
          Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-18 17:08 -0700
  Re: The Shape of the Universe. SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> - 2018-04-18 17:33 +1000
    Re: The Shape of the Universe. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-18 10:27 -0700
      Re: The Shape of the Universe. SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> - 2018-04-19 12:19 +1000
        Re: The Shape of the Universe. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-19 23:51 -0700
          Re: The Shape of the Universe. SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> - 2018-04-21 22:02 +1000
            Re: The Shape of the Universe. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-21 09:25 -0700
              Re: The Shape of the Universe. SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> - 2018-04-22 16:23 +1000
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-22 13:48 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. SolomonW <SoloomonW@citi.com.au> - 2018-04-23 10:35 +1000
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-22 21:13 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-22 23:23 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-22 23:31 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. SolomonW <SolomonW@citi.com> - 2018-04-23 20:04 +1000
        Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-20 11:56 -0700
      Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-18 20:17 -0700
  Re: The Shape of the Universe. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-18 10:18 -0700
  Re: The Shape of the Universe. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-18 13:33 -0400
    Re: The Shape of the Universe. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-19 23:53 -0700
  Re: The Shape of the Universe. mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-04-18 12:26 -0700
    Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-18 12:30 -0700
      Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-18 12:39 -0700
    Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-18 12:37 -0700
  Re: The Shape of the Universe. casagiannoni@optonline.net - 2018-04-20 07:38 -0400
    Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-20 07:52 -0700
    Re: The Shape of the Universe. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-20 10:07 -0700
      Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-20 10:40 -0700
        Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-20 10:43 -0700
          Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-20 10:50 -0700
            Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-20 11:20 -0700
              Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-22 17:40 -0700
            Re: The Shape of the Universe. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-20 23:49 -0700
  Re: The Shape of the Universe. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-23 10:31 -0500
    Re: The Shape of the Universe. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-23 22:50 -0700
    Re: The Shape of the Universe. Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2018-04-24 20:48 +1000
      Re: The Shape of the Universe. Adam Stefaniak <adam.stefaniak@hotmail.co.uk> - 2018-04-24 04:51 -0700
        Re: The Shape of the Universe. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-24 23:44 -0500
          Re: The Shape of the Universe. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-25 00:17 -0700
          Re: The Shape of the Universe. Erálnì Histickému <no@ovmwk.gn> - 2018-04-25 09:48 +0000
          Re: The Shape of the Universe. Adam Stefaniak <adam.stefaniak@hotmail.co.uk> - 2018-04-25 04:46 -0700
      Re: The Shape of the Universe. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-24 08:49 -0700
      Re: The Shape of the Universe. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-04-24 08:50 -0700
      Re: The Shape of the Universe. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-24 23:21 -0500
        Re: The Shape of the Universe. Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2018-04-25 20:25 +1000
      Re: The Shape of the Universe. Klaus Meinhard <k_meinhard@gmx.de> - 2018-04-25 08:53 +0200
        Re: The Shape of the Universe. Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2018-04-25 20:28 +1000
        Re: The Shape of the Universe. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-25 10:42 -0500
          Re: The Shape of the Universe. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-04-25 13:33 -0700
            Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-25 14:05 -0700
              Re: The Shape of the Universe. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 21:45 +0000
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-25 15:11 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 22:25 +0000
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-25 15:43 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-25 15:46 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-25 16:05 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-25 16:57 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-25 17:22 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-25 17:24 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-26 13:01 +0000
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-26 06:39 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-26 14:29 +0000
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-26 07:58 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-26 08:16 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-26 16:08 +0000
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-26 10:38 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-26 11:01 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-26 06:40 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-26 07:12 -0700
            Re: The Shape of the Universe. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-25 22:53 -0500
              Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-25 21:13 -0700
              Re: The Shape of the Universe. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-04-26 00:00 -0700
              Re: The Shape of the Universe. Erin Koff <umhn@cniwwe.im> - 2018-04-27 21:18 +0000
                Gravity is the "memory" of where the stuff was. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-04-27 14:36 -0700
                Re: Gravity is the "memory" of where the stuff was. Erin Koff <umhn@cniwwe.im> - 2018-04-27 21:44 +0000
                You're a consumer. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-04-27 14:52 -0700
                Re: You're a consumer. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-27 19:07 -0400
                Re: Gravity is the "memory" of where the stuff was. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-27 19:05 -0400
                Toss a rock up, and it "remembers" to come down. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-04-27 16:23 -0700
                Re: Gravity is the "memory" of where the stuff was. Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-02 15:47 -0500
                Gravity is SpaceTime, the 4D TimeScape; it's everywhere, always. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-02 14:30 -0700
                Re: Gravity is SpaceTime, the 4D TimeScape; it's everywhere, always. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-05-03 06:53 +0000
                Where/When is there no Energy/Matter ? Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-03 01:11 -0700
                Re: Where/When is there no Energy/Matter ? moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-05-03 16:53 +0000
                Re: Where/When is there no Energy/Matter ? benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-04 11:38 -0400
                Re: Where/When is there no Energy/Matter ? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-05-04 09:07 -0700
                Re: Where/When is there no Energy/Matter ? Otto Wahl <tlow@wtiwor.oc> - 2018-05-04 17:53 +0000
                Re: Where/When is there no Energy/Matter ? Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 19:06 -0700
                Re: Where/When is there no Energy/Matter ? Otto Wahl <tlow@wtiwor.oc> - 2018-05-05 11:22 +0000
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-27 16:38 -0500
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. Erin Koff <umhn@cniwwe.im> - 2018-04-27 21:53 +0000
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-27 15:01 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-04-28 11:31 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. Erin Koff <umhn@cniwwe.im> - 2018-05-01 11:10 +0000
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-27 21:41 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-04-29 03:27 +0200
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-28 22:51 -0400
              Re: The Shape of the Universe. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-04-29 03:06 +0200
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-28 22:30 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-30 09:31 -0500
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. Erin Koff <umhn@cniwwe.im> - 2018-04-30 16:23 +0000
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-30 09:25 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-05-01 01:27 +0100
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-05-01 13:12 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-05-24 21:01 +0200
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. Oslovné Ritmickeho <uiq@oichewo.th> - 2018-05-24 19:35 +0000
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-05-24 19:04 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. Oslovné Ritmickeho <uiq@oichewo.th> - 2018-05-25 08:43 +0000
            Re: The Shape of the Universe. Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2018-04-26 19:44 +1000
              Re: The Shape of the Universe. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-04-26 08:18 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. Daniel60 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2018-04-28 00:16 +1000
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-04-27 07:46 -0700
              Re: The Shape of the Universe. Erin Koff <umhn@cniwwe.im> - 2018-04-28 11:52 +0000
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-28 14:23 -0400
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-28 12:00 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-28 12:01 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. Erin Koff <umhn@cniwwe.im> - 2018-05-01 11:07 +0000
            Re: The Shape of the Universe. Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-04-28 12:33 -0500
              Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-28 10:55 -0700
              Re: The Shape of the Universe. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-28 14:34 -0400
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-28 22:33 -0500
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-28 22:33 -0700
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-29 03:17 -0400
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2018-04-29 09:21 -0400
                Re: The Shape of the Universe. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-04-29 07:26 -0700
              Re: The Shape of the Universe. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2018-04-28 11:44 -0700
          Re: The Shape of the Universe. Klaus Meinhard <k_meinhard@gmx.de> - 2018-04-27 09:47 +0200
            Re: The Shape of the Universe. Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2018-04-27 21:39 +0200
              Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-27 13:25 -0700
        Re: The Shape of the Universe. "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid_chris_thomasson@invalid.invalid> - 2018-04-25 15:33 -0700

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