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Gravity is SpaceTime, the 4D TimeScape; it's everywhere, always.

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Newsgroups sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity, comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Gravity is SpaceTime, the 4D TimeScape; it's everywhere, always.
Organization usenet-news.net
Date 2018-05-02 14:30 -0700

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> > 13.8 billion years ago, everything in the (subjectively) Known Universe
> > was in the same location; i.e. zero entropy and infinite density/exergy.
> > [ eXergy is a type of energy that can do physical work, force * distance ]
> > 
> > Eventually, this eXergy will be consumed away, replaced with entropy;
> > leaving us with a uniform heat bath that has all of the energy
> > but none of the eXergy.
> > 
> > Gravity is the "memory" of where the stuff was.
> 
> so, where there is no gravity,
> there is no memory where stuff is; it's Lost in Space.

Gravity is SpaceTime, the 4D TimeScape; it's everywhere, always.

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                Gravity is the "memory" of where the stuff was. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-04-27 14:36 -0700
                Re: Gravity is the "memory" of where the stuff was. Erin Koff <umhn@cniwwe.im> - 2018-04-27 21:44 +0000
                You're a consumer. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-04-27 14:52 -0700
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                Re: Gravity is the "memory" of where the stuff was. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-27 19:05 -0400
                Toss a rock up, and it "remembers" to come down. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-04-27 16:23 -0700
                Re: Gravity is the "memory" of where the stuff was. Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-02 15:47 -0500
                Gravity is SpaceTime, the 4D TimeScape; it's everywhere, always. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-02 14:30 -0700
                Re: Gravity is SpaceTime, the 4D TimeScape; it's everywhere, always. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-05-03 06:53 +0000
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                Re: The Shape of the Universe. "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-28 12:00 -0700
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