Re: Going Back To The Well Again

From	David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups	rec.arts.sf.written
Subject	Re: Going Back To The Well Again
Date	2018-03-26 23:25 -0600
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On 2018-03-26 11:05 PM, Johnny1A wrote:
> On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 1:33:45 PM UTC-5, David Johnston wrote:
>> By request, my list of authors and their recurrent ideas.
>>
>> Isaac Asimov:   Using mathematics to predict people and run society and
>> rule by technocrats and/or artificial intelligences.
> 
> Maybe more precisely the replacement of current-day politics by 'rational' governance.  The idea is not so much that 'smart people should rule' as that 'we can rule by  Reason rather than the way we're doing it, in our mutual interest...if we can just figure out how'.
> 
>>
>> Arthur C. Clarke:  Guided apotheosis.
> 
> Played for horror in _Childhood's End_, and for...well, mileage varies on how it plays...in _2001:  A Space Odyssey".  2001 and CE use many of the same tropes and themes, spun somewhat differently and told from differing perspectives, but the underlying themes definitely overlap.
> 

I'm not sure Clarke thought Childhood's End had a horrible end, even 
though many readers do.

>>
>> Robert A. Heinlein:  Rejection of sexual taboos, incest especially. Use
>> of corporal punishment and exile instead of imprisonment as we know it.
> 
> 'Early RAH' and 'late RAH' are almost two different writers.  Late RAH is along the lines you describe, early RAH seems more interested in looking at the meaning of, and application of, duty and obligation, and what 'makes a man', when it's appropriate to do your own thing, and when you must not.
> 
> Early RAH gave us _The Long Watch_, and _Requiem_, both of which play those themes in very different ways.
> 
> 
>>
>> H.P. Lovecraft:  Miscegenation is icky.  So is inbreeding.  Let's face
>> it, sex is icky.
> 
> Also, the Universe is big, alien, dangerous, and ultimately beyond your comprehension or ability to cope.  You should be afraid, and cautious, not eager to plunge into danger beyond your imagination.  As a human, you're not a lion or a whale, you're a mouse or a rabbit or the like, and you'll live longer and better if you remember that you ain't at the top of the food chain.
> 
>>
>> Frank Herbert:  Harsh environmental conditions producing supermen.
> 
> Herbert is _way_ more complicated than that.  He's interested in why human beings do the stuff we do, both the pretexts we give others and ourselves, and the real reasons.  He's fascinated by the lies we tell ourselves, the way we limit our own perceptions.
> 
> He's also interested in the dangers of our inner tropes and archetypes, as he himself said, if there's a central message to the first 3 books of the _Dune_ series, it was "Beware of heroes."
> 

I'm not encapsulating an author's entire oeuvre.  I'm just looking for 
plot elements they used more than once.  In fact the original point of 
the list was that I wanted to created a science fiction roleplaying game 
setting in which each planet had a gimmick inspired by a certain science 
fiction author

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Going Back To The Well Again David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-26 12:33 -0600
  Re: Going Back To The Well Again a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-26 12:08 -0700
    Re: Going Back To The Well Again Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-03-26 12:59 -0700
    Re: Going Back To The Well Again D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-03-26 20:47 +0000
      Re: Going Back To The Well Again Butch Malahide <fred.galvin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 13:15 -0700
        Re: Going Back To The Well Again wroehl@gmail.com - 2018-03-27 17:08 -0700
      Re: Going Back To The Well Again David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-02 03:40 -0500
        Re: Going Back To The Well Again Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-02 20:12 -0600
          Re: Going Back To The Well Again "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-03 04:49 +0000
          Re: Going Back To The Well Again peterwezeman@hotmail.com - 2018-04-02 23:29 -0700
            Re: Going Back To The Well Again Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-03 07:50 -0600
              Re: Going Back To The Well Again D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-04-03 17:02 +0000
                Re: Going Back To The Well Again Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2018-04-03 17:34 +0000
                Re: Going Back To The Well Again D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-04-04 13:30 +0000
                Re: Going Back To The Well Again Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2018-04-05 17:22 +0000
                Re: Going Back To The Well Again D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-04-05 18:27 +0000
                Re: Going Back To The Well Again Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2018-04-05 19:04 +0000
                Re: Going Back To The Well Again Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-04-05 13:36 -0700
                Re: Going Back To The Well Again Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2018-04-06 11:33 +0000
                Re: Going Back To The Well Again D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-04-05 21:57 +0000
                Re: Going Back To The Well Again djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-05 19:09 +0000
                Re: Going Back To The Well Again Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2018-04-06 11:34 +0000
                Re: Going Back To The Well Again David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-04 04:22 -0500
                Re: Going Back To The Well Again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-04 07:09 -0400
                Re: Going Back To The Well Again Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-04-04 06:50 -0700
                Re: Going Back To The Well Again David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-07 01:07 -0500
                Re: Going Back To The Well Again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-07 07:27 -0400
                Re: Going Back To The Well Again Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-04-07 07:19 -0700
                Re: Going Back To The Well Again David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-07 20:33 -0500
                Re: Going Back To The Well Again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-07 21:54 -0400
                Re: Going Back To The Well Again D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-04-07 21:33 +0000
                Re: Going Back To The Well Again djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-04-07 22:08 +0000
                Re: Going Back To The Well Again Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-04-07 16:46 -0700
                Re: Going Back To The Well Again "artyw2@yahoo.com" <artyw2@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-04 07:55 -0700
                Re: Going Back To The Well Again Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2018-04-04 13:44 +0000
                Re: Going Back To The Well Again D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-04-04 13:45 +0000
                Re: Going Back To The Well Again J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2018-04-04 07:05 -0400
          YASID - finding your home dimension by its bridge design. Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-04-03 07:51 -0600
          Re: Going Back To The Well Again "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2018-04-04 20:09 -0400
  Re: Going Back To The Well Again Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> - 2018-03-27 09:29 +1300
  Re: Going Back To The Well Again ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-03-26 20:46 +0000
    Re: Going Back To The Well Again Johnny1A <johnny1a.again@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 22:11 -0700
      Re: Going Back To The Well Again David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-26 23:20 -0600
  Re: Going Back To The Well Again Johnny1A <johnny1a.again@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 22:05 -0700
    Re: Going Back To The Well Again David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-26 23:25 -0600
      Re: Going Back To The Well Again Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-27 18:31 +0300
        Re: Going Back To The Well Again David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-27 12:37 -0600
      Re: Going Back To The Well Again David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-02 03:44 -0500
        Re: Going Back To The Well Again Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-04-02 12:38 -0700
  Going Back To The Well Again Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-03-27 08:43 -0700
    Re: Going Back To The Well Again David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-27 12:38 -0600
      Re: Going Back To The Well Again djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-27 19:45 +0000
  Re: Going Back To The Well Again William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 11:52 -0700
  Re: Going Back To The Well Again David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-02 03:38 -0500
    Re: Going Back To The Well Again Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> - 2018-04-02 18:39 -0600
  Re: Going Back To The Well Again "artyw2@yahoo.com" <artyw2@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-02 19:50 -0700
  Re: Going Back To The Well Again "artyw2@yahoo.com" <artyw2@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-02 19:52 -0700

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