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Re: Those LYING scientists

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Those LYING scientists
Date 2018-03-09 18:35 +0000
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Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 10:16:05 PM UTC-6, JanPB wrote:
>> On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 2:18:04 PM UTC-8, Ed Lake wrote:
>>> People on this forum argue that time ticks at the same rate everywhere,
>>> and when a news article says otherwise, they CLAIM it is just some
>>> scientist VULGARIZING or DUMBING DOWN the science for stupid lay people.
>> 
>> No. What we are saying is a very simple thing: given the fact that it takes many years of
>> study to understand the relevant physics, all popularisations must necessarily rely on
>> a form of metaphoric speech.
>> 
>> There is nothing exotic or unusual about that, it's all very pedestrian.
>> 
>> --
>> Jan
> 
> And I am asking: WHY PERFORM EXPERIMENTS TO CONFIRM TIME DILATION if all
> they are going to do is "vulgarize" and LIE to the public about the results?

The audience for their results is not the public. It’s other physicists,
and so they publish those experimental results in good detail and accuracy
in the places you do not look. 

The material for the public is NOT for educating people about the results
of the experiment with any detail, because most of the public don’t care.
You DO care but won’t read anything except for the materials aimed at
people who don’t care. That’s YOUR mistake. 

> 
> Read this article:
> http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-atomic-clock-gravity-20180212-story.html
> 
> It says the ONLY REASON they put a clock atop a mountain and another 1000
> meters lower was to COMPARE TICK RATES.  And the article says,
> 
> "By comparing the tick rate of the portable atomic clock on a mountain
> with a similar clock in a lab in Torino, Italy, the researchers were able
> to show that the altitude difference between the two locations was
> roughly 1,000 meters, or 3,280 feet."
> 
> If they did not believe what they did would prove what they claim it
> proved, WHY DID THEY DO IT?
> 
> Are those scientists just "incompetent"?  There are 24 listed as authors
> of the paper they wrote.  Are they all "incompetent" or are they all LYING?
> 
> What was the PURPOSE of the experiment?  Just to find something to LIE about?
> 
> Ed
> 



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Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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      Re: Those LYING scientists "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-09 07:20 -0800
      Re: Those LYING scientists Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 18:35 +0000
        Re: Those LYING scientists mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-09 10:48 -0800
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    Re: Those LYING scientists Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-03-10 10:29 +0100
      Re: Those LYING scientists mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-10 01:45 -0800
        Re: Those LYING scientists Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-10 15:13 +0000
          Re: Those LYING scientists mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-10 12:34 -0800
  Re: Those LYING scientists Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-03-08 14:50 -0800
    Re: Those LYING scientists "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-08 15:27 -0800
    Re: Those LYING scientists Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-09 07:13 -0800
      Re: Those LYING scientists Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-03-09 08:16 -0800
        Re: Those LYING scientists "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-09 08:29 -0800
        Re: Those LYING scientists Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-09 08:56 -0800
          Re: Those LYING scientists Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-03-09 09:06 -0800
            Re: Those LYING scientists Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-09 09:38 -0800
  Re: Those LYING scientists Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 01:44 +0000
    Re: Those LYING scientists Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-09 07:23 -0800
      Re: Those LYING scientists Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-03-09 08:51 -0800
        Re: Those LYING scientists mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-09 09:04 -0800
        Re: Those LYING scientists Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-09 09:26 -0800
          Re: Those LYING scientists Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-03-09 10:06 -0800
            Re: Those LYING scientists Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-09 13:22 -0800
              Re: Those LYING scientists rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 13:37 -0800
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                Re: Those LYING scientists Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 22:14 +0000
                Re: Those LYING scientists rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 19:26 -0800
                Re: Those LYING scientists Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-10 09:28 -0800
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                Re: Those LYING scientists Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-10 13:10 -0800
                Re: Those LYING scientists rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-10 13:27 -0800
                Re: Those LYING scientists rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-10 12:21 -0800
                Re: Those LYING scientists Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-11 11:51 -0700
                Re: Those LYING scientists Térov Balónky <iytn@yeicenlw.ik> - 2018-03-11 19:12 +0000
                Re: Those LYING scientists Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-12 02:27 +0100
                If you, really understood relativity you would understand that you do NOT understand relativity. Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-12 10:25 +0000
                Re: Those LYING scientists rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-03-11 12:16 -0700
                Re: Those LYING scientists Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-11 19:51 +0000
                Re: Those LYING scientists Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-11 13:28 -0700
              Re: Those LYING scientists Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 22:11 +0000
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                Re: Those LYING scientists mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-09 22:20 -0800
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                Re: Those LYING scientists Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 23:23 +0000
                Re: Those LYING scientists mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-09 22:24 -0800
                Re: Those LYING scientists John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2018-03-09 16:58 -0800
                Re: Those LYING scientists "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-09 17:34 -0800
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                Re: Those LYING scientists "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-09 18:22 -0800
                Re: Those LYING scientists Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-10 04:20 +0000
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                Re: Those LYING scientists Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-03-11 15:24 -0700
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                Re: Those LYING scientists Térov Balónky <iytn@yeicenlw.ik> - 2018-03-12 14:26 +0000
                Re: Those LYING scientists RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-11 19:43 -0700
                Re: Those LYING scientists "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-11 16:38 -0700
                Re: Those LYING scientists Térov Balónky <iytn@yeicenlw.ik> - 2018-03-13 17:53 +0000
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  Re: Those LYING scientists Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-03-10 13:30 -0800
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