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Re: Societies of superhumans

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From djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt)
Subject Re: Societies of superhumans
Message-ID <p627rn.L9G@kithrup.com> (permalink)
Date 2018-03-23 20:04 +0000
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In article <20180323b@crcomp.net>, D B Davis  <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
>
>Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
>> In article <35f964bd-b204-4342-9da2-21e8e19ac2b1@googlegroups.com>,
>> The Zygon  <stafford.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>The idea of the superman pervades science fiction. But in most of the
>>>stories I have read, the superhumans are evil in some way and need to be
>>>destroyed. I have read very few in which all humans have become
>>>superhuman, compared to humanity of today. I am interested in hearing
>>>about stories which tackle this problem. That is, how to write a good
>>>story where all humans are superhuman, and so the story is not about the
>>>clash between the ordinary humans and superhumans.
>>
>>>Maybe I should add that sometimes the clash set to some remove.  The
>>>superhumans have become separated from the main branch of humanity, and
>>>the clash is between the main branch and separated superhumans.
>>
>> Well, Anderson's _Brain Wave_, in which the Solar System drifts
>> out of a cloud of handwavium and everybody becomes much more
>> intelligent.  Some people can't take it.
>>
>> Van Vogt's _Slan,_ of course.  They're not superhumans, but they
>> are telepaths, which gives everybody else the creeps.
>>
>> Ditto Padgett's _Mutant_, whose Baldies have the same problem.
>>
>> Heinlein's _Methuselah's Children_ comes to mind, in which the
>> Howard Families have to leave Earth because of conflict with
>> normals ... but they're not superhumans, with the exception maybe
>> of Andrew Libby.  They're just longaevi.
>>
>> This is just off the top of my head at 6:30 in the morning.  Note
>> also that these are all old stories.  Others will be able to
>> provide some newer ones.
>>
>
>Re: _Brain Wave_. Shades of Fred Hoyle's panspermia. Most people who
>give a hoot in hell about Hoyle like that theory. It's not my favorite
>theory. Hoyle's steady state universe theory is my favorite theory
>because it explains galactic blue shifts. Most people who like the
>panspermia theory don't like the steady state theory. So, that makes me
>out of step with most people who give a hoot in hell about Hoyle.
>    Re: _Slan_. Do the Dreeges of "Asylum" (Van Vogt) count? If so, then
>surely _Twilight_ (Meyers) along with most of Unnatural Quarter stomping
>grounds of Dan Shamble, Zombie P.I.
>    Do mutants count? If so, there's "The Golden Man" (PKD), _Flow My
>Tears the Policeman Said_ (PKD) and _Jumper_ (Gould).
>    People with six fingers can enter accelerated time at their pleasure
>in "Six Fingers of Time" (Lafferty). "Big Ancestor" (Wallace) contains
>a mix of humans in different stages of evolution who more-or-less get
>along.

Until they figure out where they really came from.  I remember
that story fondly.

-- 
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com

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Societies of superhumans The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 00:15 -0700
  Re: Societies of superhumans Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 06:43 -0700
    Re: Societies of superhumans Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 07:02 -0700
      Re: Societies of superhumans djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-23 14:29 +0000
      Re: Societies of superhumans Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-03-23 21:56 -0700
        Re: Societies of superhumans goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2018-03-24 18:08 +0000
          Re: Societies of superhumans Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-03-24 14:49 -0700
    Re: Societies of superhumans djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-23 14:27 +0000
    Re: Societies of superhumans Johnny1A <johnny1a.again@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 21:41 -0700
      Re: Societies of superhumans The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 21:49 -0700
  Re: Societies of superhumans djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-23 13:37 +0000
    Re: Societies of superhumans D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-03-23 18:45 +0000
      Re: Societies of superhumans Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-03-23 13:00 -0700
      Re: Societies of superhumans "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 15:03 -0500
        Re: Societies of superhumans D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-03-23 21:19 +0000
          Re: Societies of superhumans djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-23 22:25 +0000
            Re: Societies of superhumans D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-03-23 23:48 +0000
        Re: Societies of superhumans The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 19:37 -0700
          Re: Societies of superhumans David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-23 20:43 -0600
      Re: Societies of superhumans djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-23 20:04 +0000
        Re: Societies of superhumans "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 16:12 -0500
          Re: Societies of superhumans djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-23 22:26 +0000
      Re: Societies of superhumans The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 19:31 -0700
    Re: Societies of superhumans The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 19:19 -0700
      Re: Societies of superhumans goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu (David Goldfarb) - 2018-03-24 18:00 +0000
        Re: Societies of superhumans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-03-25 09:57 -0700
  Re: Societies of superhumans Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2018-03-23 07:08 -0700
    Re: Societies of superhumans Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 07:39 -0700
    Re: Societies of superhumans The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 19:20 -0700
    Re: Societies of superhumans lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-25 08:51 -0700
      Re: Societies of superhumans djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-25 16:51 +0000
        Re: Societies of superhumans Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2018-03-25 10:16 -0700
          Re: Societies of superhumans Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-03-26 17:11 -0700
            Re: Societies of superhumans djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-27 00:18 +0000
              Re: Societies of superhumans Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-03-26 19:59 -0700
                Re: Societies of superhumans djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-27 05:55 +0000
                Re: Societies of superhumans Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-03-27 05:29 -0600
                Re: Societies of superhumans D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-03-27 15:57 +0000
                Re: Societies of superhumans The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 22:11 -0700
                Re: Societies of superhumans David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-02 04:29 -0500
                Re: Societies of superhumans The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 22:01 -0700
                Re: Societies of superhumans The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 21:54 -0700
                Re: Societies of superhumans Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2018-03-27 14:22 -0700
                Re: Societies of superhumans Johnny1A <johnny1a.again@gmail.com> - 2018-03-30 20:37 -0700
                Re: Societies of superhumans mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2018-03-30 22:09 -0700
                Re: Societies of superhumans The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-31 01:25 -0700
                Re: Societies of superhumans Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2018-03-31 05:51 -0700
                Re: Societies of superhumans Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-03-31 20:07 -0700
        Re: Societies of superhumans lal_truckee <lal_truckee@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-26 22:26 -0700
          Re: Societies of superhumans djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-27 05:55 +0000
            Re: Societies of superhumans The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 21:57 -0700
  Re: Societies of superhumans D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-03-23 14:22 +0000
    Re: Societies of superhumans The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 19:24 -0700
      Re: Societies of superhumans Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 15:40 -0500
  Societies of superhumans Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 07:39 -0700
    Re: Societies of superhumans Leo Sgouros <adravirgo@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 07:43 -0700
      Re: Societies of superhumans The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 19:27 -0700
    Re: Societies of superhumans djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2018-03-23 18:26 +0000
    Re: Societies of superhumans David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-02 04:37 -0500
  Re: Societies of superhumans David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-23 14:25 -0600
    Re: Societies of superhumans David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-02 04:49 -0500
  Re: Societies of superhumans "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2018-03-24 22:05 -0400
    Re: Societies of superhumans ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-03-25 03:21 +0000
      Re: Societies of superhumans Johnny1A <johnny1a.again@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 21:48 -0700
    Re: Societies of superhumans David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-24 21:37 -0600
      Re: Societies of superhumans "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2018-03-27 07:34 -0400
        Re: Societies of superhumans The  Zygon <stafford.martin@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 22:06 -0700
          Re: Societies of superhumans David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-02 04:52 -0500
        Re: Societies of superhumans Johnny1A <johnny1a.again@gmail.com> - 2018-03-30 20:33 -0700
          Re: Societies of superhumans "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> - 2018-03-31 10:17 -0400
            Re: Societies of superhumans mcdowell_ag@sky.com - 2018-03-31 08:50 -0700
              Re: Societies of superhumans David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2018-04-02 04:54 -0500
            Re: Societies of superhumans Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2018-03-31 09:40 -0700
            Re: Societies of superhumans Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> - 2018-03-31 12:37 -0700
            Re: Societies of superhumans David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-31 14:05 -0600
            Re: Societies of superhumans Johnny1A <johnny1a.again@gmail.com> - 2018-04-01 19:42 -0700
              Re: Societies of superhumans David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-01 21:22 -0600
                Re: Societies of superhumans ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-04-02 03:57 +0000
  Re: Societies of superhumans Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 15:36 -0500
    Re: Societies of superhumans Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 14:15 -0700
      Re: Societies of superhumans Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 16:22 -0500
        Re: Societies of superhumans Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-03-26 14:34 -0700
    Re: Societies of superhumans Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-03-26 14:25 -0700
      Re: Societies of superhumans Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 16:28 -0500

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