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| From | "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.usage.english, alt.english.usage, misc.writing, soc.culture.usa, talk.politics.misc |
| Subject | Re: 15 million fools |
| Date | 2016-01-01 19:54 +0000 |
| Organization | . |
| Message-ID | <op.yakr8clz86ebyl@red.lan> (permalink) |
| References | (3 earlier) <7d798b9271lhug8832vd88co16n01aabmi@4ax.com> <op.yaip1rv486ebyl@red.lan> <7vqb8b95jor48901lu05sihhlpnvff4i8j@4ax.com> <op.yaj3jej286ebyl@red.lan> <deo3csF5hqrU2@mid.individual.net> |
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On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 19:46:34 -0000, GordonD <g.davie@btinternet.com> wrote: > On 01/01/2016 11:00, Mr Macaw wrote: >> On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 03:36:45 -0000, Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 17:11:41 -0000, "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 03:19:07 -0000, Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 19:23:21 -0000, "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 18:58:53 -0000, Dr. Jai Maharaj >>>>>> <alt.fan.jai-maharaj@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> In article <op.yagzluoy86ebyl@red.lan>, >>>>>>> "Mr Macaw" <n...@spam.com> posted: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 15 million people have spelt length as lenght on the >>>>>>>> internet, and they actually think it's correct, not just >>>>>>>> a typo! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "spelt" >>>>>>> about 12,700,000 search results. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "spelled" >>>>>>> about 50,500,000 search results. >>>>>> >>>>>> Those are both words, with a subtle difference not many people care >>>>>> about. In my example, lenght is not a word. >>>>> >>>>> "Spelt" is English english. "Spelled" is more the American version. >>>> >>>> No. Plenty friends here in the UK use spelled and say it's "correct". >>> >>> If you bring up an American news source, look for stories >>> about people who were arrested by the police, you will >>> almost always see the word "pleaded" - guilty or innocent - >>> when he appeared before the judge. The use of "pled" is >>> increasingly rare. >>> >>> Our dictionaries say "pleaded" and "pled" are both correct. >>> >>> But I don't think so. >> >> Pled is rare because it isn't a word, any more than I jamp over the wall. >> >>>> It's a different form of the word to spelt, like burned and burnt. >>>> But I only acknowledge ONE past tense. >>> >>> The tree burned - active, present tense (even if describing >>> a past incident as if you were actually there as a witness). >>> >>> The tree burnt - probably should be "was burnt" - passive, >>> static, the aftermath. >>> >>> The difference is subtle. The difference may also be irrelevant >>> to the future of the language. In an age of handwritten letters >>> and literature most often written by the upper classes for the >>> upper classes readers had the time to muse on the more >>> subtle aspects of language and grammar. Todays world is >>> overloaded with communications and there is an emphasis >>> on transmitting the most data in the least time. The 1800's, >>> quality, the 2000's, quantity. I suppose TextSpeak is the >>> ultimate example of this trend. >>> >>> Expect subtly different words like "burned" -vs- "burnt" or >>> "pled" -vs- "pleaded" or "spelt" -vs- "spelled" to disappear >>> as the trend towards a simpler, more standard, more >>> compact, version of the language continues. >> >> As far as I'm concerned, the subtle difference is so small that it's >> completely unimportant. Not worth stopping to think which it is. >> >>>>> "Pleaded" and "runned" are American 'Blinglish' ... the slow death >>>>> of the irregular verb. >>>> >>>> I've never heard anyone say "runned". I've also never heard anyone >>> >>> I hear it more and more - and from more 'educated' people - as >>> time goes on. It's "Blinglish' ... American "Black English", a sort >>> of pigin where non-speakers learned a language quickly and >>> skipped the more subtle rules. That which did happen often has >>> "-ed" at the end, so "run"/"runned", "sit"/"sitted" ... the simple >>> rule applied to everything. Mass exposure then leads to mass >>> usage. >> >> From someone who doesn't speak much English, someone here on holiday >> maybe, but I don't expect it from anyone who speaks English everyday. >> >>>> say "pled" if that's even a word. What would you say instead of >>>> pleaded? >>> >>> "Mr. Fracas was brought before a judge and pled 'not guilty' >>> to the charges ..... " >>> >>> In 1960s America that would have been the most common way >>> of stating that in the news. Today it's "pleaded". >> >> If someone said pled now I'd fall about laughing. In fact my newsreader >> has underlined it in red. >> >>>> A word that annoys me is "dove". Not dove the bird, but dove as in >>>> past tense if dive, pronounced like cove. >>> >>> You want "dived" ? >>> >>> "Dove" is another irregular verb ... that's going away. >>> >>> But if you want to sound smart you say "dove" :-) >>> >>> 50 years from now however, will anybody even understand >>> if you say "dove" ? It may be like the language of the Bard, >>> pretty but obsolete. Can you really appreciate Hamlet if >>> you cannot follow the meter and rhythm and play of his >>> obsolete words ??? Those were far richer plays to even >>> the common folk of his day than they are to the educated >>> class of today. >> >> Isn't dove an Americanism like aluminum? > > How about "shined"? I would only expect that word to be used by someone under the age of 9. Mind you the intelligence level of Americans is pretty low, so for them maybe double it to 18. -- Impeccable, adjective: something which cannot be destroyed by the beak of a parrot. Scientists have yet to discover such a substance.
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