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Re: 15 million fools

From GordonD <g.davie@btinternet.com>
Newsgroups alt.usage.english, alt.english.usage, misc.writing, soc.culture.usa, talk.politics.misc
Subject Re: 15 million fools
Date 2016-01-01 19:46 +0000
Message-ID <deo3csF5hqrU2@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
References (2 earlier) <op.yag1g7dj86ebyl@red.lan> <7d798b9271lhug8832vd88co16n01aabmi@4ax.com> <op.yaip1rv486ebyl@red.lan> <7vqb8b95jor48901lu05sihhlpnvff4i8j@4ax.com> <op.yaj3jej286ebyl@red.lan>

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On 01/01/2016 11:00, Mr Macaw wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 03:36:45 -0000, Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 17:11:41 -0000, "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 03:19:07 -0000, Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 19:23:21 -0000, "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 30 Dec 2015 18:58:53 -0000, Dr. Jai Maharaj
>>>>> <alt.fan.jai-maharaj@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <op.yagzluoy86ebyl@red.lan>,
>>>>>> "Mr Macaw" <n...@spam.com> posted:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 15 million people have spelt length as lenght on the
>>>>>>> internet, and they actually think it's correct, not just
>>>>>>> a typo!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "spelt"
>>>>>> about 12,700,000 search results.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "spelled"
>>>>>> about 50,500,000 search results.
>>>>>
>>>>> Those are both words, with a subtle difference not many people care
>>>>> about.  In my example, lenght is not a word.
>>>>
>>>>    "Spelt" is English english. "Spelled" is more the American version.
>>>
>>> No.  Plenty friends here in the UK use spelled and say it's "correct".
>>
>>    If you bring up an American news source, look for stories
>>    about people who were arrested by the police, you will
>>    almost always see the word "pleaded" - guilty or innocent -
>>    when he appeared before the judge. The use of "pled" is
>>    increasingly rare.
>>
>>    Our dictionaries say "pleaded" and "pled" are both correct.
>>
>>    But I don't think so.
>
> Pled is rare because it isn't a word, any more than I jamp over the wall.
>
>>> It's a different form of the word to spelt, like burned and burnt.
>>> But I only acknowledge ONE past tense.
>>
>>    The tree burned - active, present tense (even if describing
>>    a past incident as if you were actually there as a witness).
>>
>>    The tree burnt - probably should be "was burnt" - passive,
>>    static, the aftermath.
>>
>>    The difference is subtle. The difference may also be irrelevant
>>    to the future of the language. In an age of handwritten letters
>>    and literature most often written by the upper classes for the
>>    upper classes readers had the time to muse on the more
>>    subtle aspects of language and grammar. Todays world is
>>    overloaded with communications and there is an emphasis
>>    on transmitting the most data in the least time. The 1800's,
>>    quality, the 2000's, quantity. I suppose TextSpeak is the
>>    ultimate example of this trend.
>>
>>    Expect subtly different words like "burned" -vs- "burnt" or
>>    "pled" -vs- "pleaded" or "spelt" -vs- "spelled" to disappear
>>    as the trend towards a simpler, more standard, more
>>    compact, version of the language continues.
>
> As far as I'm concerned, the subtle difference is so small that it's
> completely unimportant.  Not worth stopping to think which it is.
>
>>>>    "Pleaded" and "runned" are American 'Blinglish' ... the slow death
>>>>    of the irregular verb.
>>>
>>> I've never heard anyone say "runned".  I've also never heard anyone
>>
>>    I hear it more and more - and from more 'educated' people - as
>>    time goes on. It's "Blinglish' ... American "Black English", a sort
>>    of pigin where non-speakers learned a language quickly and
>>    skipped the more subtle rules. That which did happen often has
>>    "-ed" at the end, so "run"/"runned", "sit"/"sitted" ... the simple
>>    rule applied to everything. Mass exposure then leads to mass
>>    usage.
>
>  From someone who doesn't speak much English, someone here on holiday
> maybe, but I don't expect it from anyone who speaks English everyday.
>
>>> say "pled" if that's even a word.  What would you say instead of
>>> pleaded?
>>
>>    "Mr. Fracas was brought before a judge and pled 'not guilty'
>>    to the charges ..... "
>>
>>    In 1960s America that would have been the most common way
>>    of stating that in the news. Today it's "pleaded".
>
> If someone said pled now I'd fall about laughing.  In fact my newsreader
> has underlined it in red.
>
>>> A word that annoys me is "dove".  Not dove the bird, but dove as in
>>> past tense if dive, pronounced like cove.
>>
>>    You want "dived" ?
>>
>>    "Dove" is another irregular verb ... that's going away.
>>
>>    But if you want to sound smart you say "dove"  :-)
>>
>>    50 years from now however, will anybody even understand
>>    if you say "dove" ? It may be like the language of the Bard,
>>    pretty but obsolete. Can you really appreciate Hamlet if
>>    you cannot follow the meter and rhythm and play of his
>>    obsolete words ??? Those were far richer plays to even
>>    the common folk of his day than they are to the educated
>>    class of today.
>
> Isn't dove an Americanism like aluminum?
>

How about "shined"?
-- 
Gordon Davie
Edinburgh, Scotland

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            Re: 15 million fools "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> - 2016-01-02 20:46 +0000
              Re: 15 million fools Mr. B1ack <nowhere@nada.net> - 2016-01-02 21:52 -0500
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                Re: 15 million fools GordonD <g.davie@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-04 09:13 +0000
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                Re: 15 million fools "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> - 2016-01-04 19:16 +0000
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                Re: 15 million fools GordonD <g.davie@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-05 10:24 +0000
                Re: 15 million fools "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> - 2016-01-06 00:13 +0000
                Re: 15 million fools GordonD <g.davie@btinternet.com> - 2016-01-06 13:42 +0000
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                Re: 15 million fools "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> - 2016-01-04 19:16 +0000
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