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| From | "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> |
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| Newsgroups | comp.lang.forth |
| Subject | Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C |
| Date | 2014-04-19 04:55 -0400 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
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On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 03:59:43 -0400, Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> wrote: > Rod Pemberton <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> wrote: >> On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 09:46:48 -0400, <cslarsen@gmail.com> wrote: >>> - Able to produce Forth bytecode that can be transmitted over the >>> network and executed there >> >> I'm not sure of any that can produce bytecode ... That would >> dramatically >> limit the number of definable Forth words or dictionary size, although >> Forths which use bytecode probably do exist. > > OK, I'll bite. Why do you believe that? Do you think that a bytecode > Forth would be limited to 256 words? A byte by definition is exactly 8-bits. Bytecode uses only one byte to represent all instructions. With a 1:1 mapping of instructions to integer values, how can you have more than 256 words using only 8-bits per instruction? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigeonhole_principle > And if you do believe that, why do you not believe that a bytecode > Java would not be similarly limited to 256 methods? The Java Virtual Machine, the last time I checked which admittedly was a few years ago, had exactly 206 bytecodes. >>> - It must be open source >> >> Most Forths are without copyright, i.e., Public Domain, or copyright >> voluntarily surrendered. If you meant "open source" as in >> copyrighted and licensed, the typical meaning of "open source", then >> that's far less common. If you're combining the code with other >> copyrighted and licensed code, it's probably best to use >> similar/same license too, e.g., don't mix MIT with GPL, etc. This >> prevents a problem known as "license pollution". > > This is nonsense. There is no incompatibility between MIT and GPL > licences. No, it's not. The GPL has more restrictive terms. Mixing of licenses, i.e., applying more than one license to one piece of code results in "license pollution". There used to be a page on this on Wikipedia. I can't seem to locate it currently. Basically, it recommended releasing code changes for an individual file/block of code under the original license so that multiple licenses wouldn't be applied accidentally to the same code file/block. Open source licenses are not necessarily 100% compatible with each other. Each has terms which limits combinations with the others. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_free_and_open-source_software_licenses >> Also, you might want to avoid Public Domain in that case since >> technically it's not copyrighted and merging in copyrighted code >> could be a legal complication. > > And the legal opinion on which ths is based is what, exactly? I have > certainly never heard it before. How can you apply a copyright to a work which cannot be copyrighted? If you make a change to a Public Domain work (no copyright), and require that your change be GPL'd without specifying which code is yours and which isn't, as is typical for GPL slap-on, viral-ware licensing, then you've done exactly that. You've claimed copyright to code which isn't yours and can't be copyrighted. Fortunately for open-source software, no one is going to file a court case if Public Domain code turns up with copyright claims. Rod Pemberton
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Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C cslarsen@gmail.com - 2014-04-18 06:46 -0700
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Pablo Hugo Reda <pabloreda@gmail.com> - 2014-04-18 07:13 -0700
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2014-04-18 16:41 +0200
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C jacko <jackokring@gmail.com> - 2014-04-18 11:31 -0700
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-19 03:08 -0400
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-19 02:59 -0500
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-19 04:55 -0400
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-19 16:15 -0500
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-19 23:47 +0200
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-19 22:12 -0400
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-20 02:41 -0500
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-21 21:16 -0400
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-21 18:37 -0700
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-22 02:48 -0400
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-22 16:15 -0700
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-22 20:58 -0400
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-22 23:36 -0700
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-04-22 21:38 -1000
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-23 06:14 -0700
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-23 21:10 -0400
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-24 23:09 -0700
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-04-24 00:31 -0700
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-04-26 20:17 -0400
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-04-26 20:29 -0400
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-22 05:07 -0500
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-22 07:54 -0400
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-04-22 05:27 -0700
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-22 08:37 -0500
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-22 21:18 -0400
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-23 07:26 +0200
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-23 08:40 -0500
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-04-26 21:52 -0400
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-27 00:18 -0400
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-04-27 01:10 -0400
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-27 01:28 -0400
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-04-27 01:42 -0400
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-27 02:56 -0400
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-04-27 03:09 -0400
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-27 05:07 -0400
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C jkn_gg@nicorp.f9.co.uk - 2014-04-20 14:02 -0700
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-21 01:27 +0000
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-04-21 14:19 -0400
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-21 20:35 +0200
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C andraszsoter@gmail.com - 2014-04-21 11:54 -0700
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-21 20:25 -0400
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-21 18:26 -0700
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-22 03:29 -0400
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-22 16:19 -0700
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-22 20:23 -0400
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-22 23:16 -0700
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-27 01:43 -0400
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-27 11:33 +0100
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-28 01:02 -0400
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-04-28 01:27 -0700
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-04-27 22:56 -1000
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-28 05:42 -0400
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-04-28 04:24 -0700
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-28 13:43 +0100
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-29 08:06 -0400
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-29 19:22 +0100
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C David Thompson <dave.thompson2@verizon.net> - 2014-05-25 16:44 -0400
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-29 07:54 -0400
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-04-29 06:06 -0700
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-29 19:07 +0100
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-04-28 04:17 -0700
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-29 08:20 -0400
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-04-29 06:09 -0700
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothaver.cqm> - 2014-04-21 20:39 -0400
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-04-18 22:24 -1000
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-19 05:02 -0400
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-19 01:43 -0700
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C andraszsoter@gmail.com - 2014-04-21 09:30 -0700
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 15:31 -0700
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-25 16:54 -1000
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-25 22:29 -0700
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 10:45 -0700
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-26 09:39 -1000
Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-25 16:30 -0700
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