Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C

From	"Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C
Date	2014-04-22 02:48 -0400
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On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 21:37:27 -0400, Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> wrote:
> on 21/04/2014 18:16:16, "Rod Pemberton" wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2014 03:41:32 -0400, Andrew Haley
>> <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> wrote:
>>> Rod Pemberton <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> wrote:

>>>> Also, the GPL has more restrictive terms.
>>>
>>> Surely the GPL has *less* restrictive terms: it's impossible for
>>> anyone to make GPL code unfree, or make it into a proprietary product.
>>> So, anyone who receives GPL code is free to study it, to change it,
>>> and so on.
>>
>> That's true only for someone who confuses/conflates "*less*" with
>> "*more*".
>>
>> NOT being able to do something with the code, which is what you've
>> stated, is more restrictive, not less. You are not free, or "unfree",
>> according to what you just stated, to use the code commercially, i.e.,
>> for a proprietary product. With MIT and BSD licenses you are free to
>> do just that, and employ programmers in the process.
>
> Companies can use GPL code commercially on proprietary products.

I know that.  But, that's NOT what Andrew stated.  That's why I
clarified by stating the following in reference to what Andrew
did say:

   "... according to what you just stated ..."

You really seem to have failure to comprehend issues.

> You are probably using a wireless router that is a proprietary
> product that cost you money running on GPL code modified by
> programmers employed by the company that you bought it from.

Perhaps.  If not this router, most likely one of the others.

> The only requirement is that the company make the source
> code available for free.

How often do they actually do that?

I.e., they frequently hide the fact they've done so in order
to prevent leakage of proprietary interfaces or code.

I know that I can't get source code from any of the
router manufacturers for my products, GPL or otherwise.
I can get free, binary firmware updates, while they
provide them.

Anyway, this is now way off the OP's topic now that you
two decided to respond.

Rod Pemberton

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Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C cslarsen@gmail.com - 2014-04-18 06:46 -0700
  Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Pablo Hugo Reda <pabloreda@gmail.com> - 2014-04-18 07:13 -0700
  Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2014-04-18 16:41 +0200
  Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C jacko <jackokring@gmail.com> - 2014-04-18 11:31 -0700
  Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-19 03:08 -0400
    Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-19 02:59 -0500
      Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-19 04:55 -0400
        Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-19 16:15 -0500
          Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-19 23:47 +0200
          Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-19 22:12 -0400
            Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-20 02:41 -0500
              Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-21 21:16 -0400
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-21 18:37 -0700
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-22 02:48 -0400
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-22 16:15 -0700
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-22 20:58 -0400
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-22 23:36 -0700
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-04-22 21:38 -1000
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-23 06:14 -0700
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-23 21:10 -0400
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-24 23:09 -0700
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-04-24 00:31 -0700
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-04-26 20:17 -0400
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-04-26 20:29 -0400
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-22 05:07 -0500
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-22 07:54 -0400
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-04-22 05:27 -0700
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-22 08:37 -0500
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-22 21:18 -0400
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2014-04-23 07:26 +0200
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2014-04-23 08:40 -0500
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-04-26 21:52 -0400
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-27 00:18 -0400
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-04-27 01:10 -0400
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-27 01:28 -0400
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-04-27 01:42 -0400
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-27 02:56 -0400
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-04-27 03:09 -0400
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-27 05:07 -0400
        Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C jkn_gg@nicorp.f9.co.uk - 2014-04-20 14:02 -0700
          Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2014-04-21 01:27 +0000
            Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2014-04-21 14:19 -0400
              Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2014-04-21 20:35 +0200
              Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C andraszsoter@gmail.com - 2014-04-21 11:54 -0700
              Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-21 20:25 -0400
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-21 18:26 -0700
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-22 03:29 -0400
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-22 16:19 -0700
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-22 20:23 -0400
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-22 23:16 -0700
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-27 01:43 -0400
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-27 11:33 +0100
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-28 01:02 -0400
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-04-28 01:27 -0700
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-04-27 22:56 -1000
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-28 05:42 -0400
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-04-28 04:24 -0700
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-28 13:43 +0100
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-29 08:06 -0400
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-29 19:22 +0100
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C David Thompson <dave.thompson2@verizon.net> - 2014-05-25 16:44 -0400
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-29 07:54 -0400
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-04-29 06:06 -0700
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Alex McDonald" <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2014-04-29 19:07 +0100
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-04-28 04:17 -0700
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-29 08:20 -0400
                Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Mark Wills <markwills1970@gmail.com> - 2014-04-29 06:09 -0700
          Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothaver.cqm> - 2014-04-21 20:39 -0400
    Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-04-18 22:24 -1000
      Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Rod Pemberton" <dont_use_email@xnothavet.cqm> - 2014-04-19 05:02 -0400
  Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-04-19 01:43 -0700
  Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C andraszsoter@gmail.com - 2014-04-21 09:30 -0700
  Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-05-25 15:31 -0700
    Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-25 16:54 -1000
      Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-25 22:29 -0700
      Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "VisualForth.com" <babruehl@gmail.com> - 2014-05-26 10:45 -0700
        Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2014-05-26 09:39 -1000
  Re: Recommendation of a Forth to embed in C Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-25 16:30 -0700

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