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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: The flaws of SR |
| Date | 2017-09-07 15:50 -0500 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
| Message-ID | <oosbem$uso$4@gioia.aioe.org> (permalink) |
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On 9/7/17 9:04 AM, kenseto wrote: > On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 10:03:10 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> On 9/6/17 8:58 AM, kenseto wrote: >>> On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 5:10:25 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>> On 9/5/17 10:19 AM, kenseto wrote: >>>>> On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 9:48:16 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>> On 9/3/17 10:08 AM, kenseto wrote: >>>>>>> On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 1:03:40 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>> On 9/2/17 11:39 AM, kenseto wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 5:50:03 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 8/31/17 4:30 PM, kenseto wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> The flaws of SR: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 1. Constant light speed in all inertial frames. By definition the speed of anything is observer dependent. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There is no such definition of speed in physics that requires that the >>>>>>>>>> speed of anything is observer dependent. The speed of SOME things is >>>>>>>>>> observer dependent, but not everything. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The speed of anything is observer dependent. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That’s simply not true. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That’s true in our universe. >>>>>> >>>>>> Assertion is not an argument. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ...if you think that’s not so please give us some examples of anything that is not observer dependent. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The speed of light is not observer dependent. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The speed of light is not observer dependent because physicists redefine the meter to be: >>>>>>> 1 meter=1/299,792458 light-seconds >>>>>> >>>>>> Check your history. This redefinition happened a few decades AFTER the >>>>>> speed of light was determined experimentally to be observer independent. >>>>>> Do you think the observer-independence of light speed will suddenly >>>>>> change sometime after the redefinition of the meter? >>>>> >>>>> So why is there a need t redefine the meter? The OWLS never been measured directly......so you are a lying sack of shit. >>>> >>>> The observer-independence of the speed of light is firmly determined by >>>> a combination of TWLS measurements and isotropy experiments. Though you >>>> would DESIRE a OWLS measurement, it is completely unnecessary, given the >>>> constraints already obtained from the other measurements. What you >>>> DESIRE is not needed. >>> >>> Nope TWLS isotropy >> >> Two. Separate. Experimental. Results. >> Result one: Measurement of TWLS. >> Result two: Isotropy of light speed. > > Nope....TWLS is based on the average of different one-way light speed. The ISOTROPY experiment proves that you cannot have two different one-way light speeds! That's the whole fucking point about isotropy measurements. Light speed from A to B is the same as light speed from B to A. That's what isotropy MEANS, you idiot. > Therefore you can’t claim that OWLS is the same as TWLS. > Also OWLS isotropy cannot be determined in the lab. It must be measured over a long distance. Why because distance will affect phase and doppler shifts due to the inverse square law. > >> >> Conclusion from both results: OWLS *must* equal the value of measured >> TWLS. It’s simple algebra. > > Wrong assertions. It's algebra, Ken. You going to say algebra is wrong? > >> >>> does not mean OWLS isotropy and OWLS isotropy cannot be determined in the Lab. It must be determined over a long distance.....why? Because distance will affect the phase shift and doppler shift dues to the inverse square law. What this mean that you assumptions are completely wrong. >>> >>>> >>>> The reason to redefine the meter has nothing to do with proving >>>> relativity. >>> >>> Sure it has everything to do with relativity. A material meter stick will give different OWLS in different frames. >>> >>>> A unit standard needs to be reproducible, stable, and with a >>>> precision greater than any measurement need. The metal bar in Paris no >>>> longer met the requirements for stability and precision of modern day >>>> technology, and so a replacement was needed. >>>> >>>> Again, it does not MATTER that the metal bar is sufficient for everyday >>>> uses. Heck, for everyday uses, a wooden meter stick suffices. But that >>>> is NOT sufficient for the purposes of a unit standard, which has MUCH >>>> higher requirements for reproducibility, stability, and precision. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables >> >> >> -- >> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-31 14:30 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-31 16:50 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-08-31 18:14 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 19:37 +0000
Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-01 17:18 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 17:25 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-01 17:56 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 11:59 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-02 15:29 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 20:45 +0000
Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-02 20:05 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 08:38 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-05 06:55 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-05 16:14 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-09-05 18:39 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-06 02:01 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-09-06 17:44 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-06 15:59 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-06 20:19 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-09-06 21:37 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-06 23:34 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-07 04:01 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-07 04:09 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-07 04:50 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-07 05:39 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-07 07:27 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Béèku Mická <bmik@owjfns.gh> - 2017-09-07 21:37 +0000
Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-07 18:30 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-07 18:27 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-07 20:54 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 08:38 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-02 01:02 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-02 09:49 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 12:09 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-02 15:11 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 20:45 +0000
Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-02 19:47 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR "R.B." <matt.rush200@outlook.com> - 2017-09-22 03:53 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-01 01:29 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 19:37 +0000
Re: The flaws of SR mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-01 14:48 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-02 09:39 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 12:03 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-03 08:08 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 08:48 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-05 07:00 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-05 08:19 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-05 16:02 +0000
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 16:10 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-06 06:58 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 09:03 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-06 07:16 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-07 07:04 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-07 15:50 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-08 06:09 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-08 08:35 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-08 07:59 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-08 11:36 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-09 07:50 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-09 08:06 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-09 09:59 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-09 11:17 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-09 11:37 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Utorských Vitelé <hue@svwor.hh> - 2017-09-09 18:59 +0000
Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-09 18:37 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-09 17:14 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-10 01:45 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-10 05:11 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-10 09:08 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-10 07:38 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-10 09:43 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-11 08:39 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-11 09:15 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-09-11 18:24 +0200
Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-12 06:45 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-12 08:59 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-12 08:13 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 11:04 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-12 14:03 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 16:42 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 16:48 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 16:50 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-09-12 18:04 -0400
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 18:05 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 11:15 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-12 14:11 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 16:43 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-09-12 18:11 -0400
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 18:06 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-12 16:36 +0000
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 09:02 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR Utorských Vitelé <hue@svwor.hh> - 2017-09-12 14:22 +0000
Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-12 14:26 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-11 11:52 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-11 09:58 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-09-09 08:09 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-09 10:08 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-09-09 10:18 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-09 21:15 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-09 21:42 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-09-09 21:49 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-10 07:57 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-11 08:38 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-11 08:37 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-11 08:59 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-11 09:06 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-09-11 18:21 +0200
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-11 11:48 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-11 15:35 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 08:54 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-12 08:37 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 11:02 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-12 13:54 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 16:45 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-12 14:21 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 16:40 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-13 09:09 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-09-13 18:18 +0200
Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-14 05:56 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-09-14 15:15 +0200
Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-21 12:09 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-21 20:14 +0000
Re: The flaws of SR moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-21 23:10 +0000
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-13 12:33 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-14 06:05 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-14 09:06 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-14 16:00 +0000
Re: The flaws of SR Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-08-31 21:28 -0500
Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-01 05:57 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Bídníkùm Laterá <bila@wehia.ui> - 2017-09-01 07:31 +0000
Re: The flaws of SR Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-09-01 12:21 +0200
Re: The flaws of SR Bídníkùm Laterá <bila@wehia.ui> - 2017-09-01 12:04 +0000
Re: The flaws of SR moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-01 12:30 +0000
Re: The flaws of SR Bídníkùm Laterá <bila@wehia.ui> - 2017-09-01 17:32 +0000
Re: The flaws of SR Bídníkùm Laterá <bila@wehia.ui> - 2017-09-01 17:36 +0000
Re: The flaws of Seto's misunderstanding of SR moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-01 13:03 +0000
The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-02 06:38 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-02 09:04 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-03 04:05 +0000
Re: The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-02 21:18 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 16:13 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-06 20:26 -0500
The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-09 12:10 -0700
The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-09 13:31 -0700
The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-09 13:34 -0700
The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-09 14:40 -0700
The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-10 05:51 -0700
The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-10 09:55 -0700
The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-10 10:06 -0700
The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-10 10:45 -0700
The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-10 10:48 -0700
The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-10 10:53 -0700
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Re: The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-09 15:42 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-09-21 12:46 -0700
Re: The flaws of SR Carl Susumu <numbernumber1212@gmail.com> - 2017-09-21 14:02 -0700
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