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Re: The flaws of SR

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: The flaws of SR
Date 2017-09-05 16:10 -0500
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On 9/5/17 10:19 AM, kenseto wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 9:48:16 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 9/3/17 10:08 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 1:03:40 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 9/2/17 11:39 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 5:50:03 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/31/17 4:30 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>> The flaws of SR:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Constant light speed in all inertial frames. By definition the speed of anything is observer dependent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no such definition of speed in physics that requires that the
>>>>>> speed of anything is observer dependent. The speed of SOME things is
>>>>>> observer dependent, but not everything.
>>>>>
>>>>> The speed of anything is observer dependent.
>>>>
>>>> That’s simply not true.
>>>
>>> That’s true in our universe.
>>
>> Assertion is not an argument.
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ...if you think that’s not so please give us some examples of anything that is not observer dependent.
>>>>
>>>> The speed of light is not observer dependent.
>>>
>>> The speed of light is not observer dependent because physicists redefine the meter to be:
>>> 1 meter=1/299,792458 light-seconds
>>
>> Check your history. This redefinition happened a few decades AFTER the
>> speed of light was determined experimentally to be observer independent.
>> Do you think the observer-independence of light speed will suddenly
>> change sometime after the redefinition of the meter?
> 
> So why is there a need t redefine the meter? The OWLS never been measured directly......so you are a lying sack of shit.

The observer-independence of the speed of light is firmly determined by 
a combination of TWLS measurements and isotropy experiments. Though you 
would DESIRE a OWLS measurement, it is completely unnecessary, given the 
constraints already obtained from the other measurements. What you 
DESIRE is not needed.

The reason to redefine the meter has nothing to do with proving 
relativity. A unit standard needs to be reproducible, stable, and with a 
precision greater than any measurement need. The metal bar in Paris no 
longer met the requirements for stability and precision of modern day 
technology, and so a replacement was needed.

Again, it does not MATTER that the metal bar is sufficient for everyday 
uses. Heck, for everyday uses, a wooden meter stick suffices. But that 
is NOT sufficient for the purposes of a unit standard, which has MUCH 
higher requirements for reproducibility, stability, and precision.


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-31 14:30 -0700
  Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-31 16:50 -0500
    Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-08-31 18:14 -0500
      Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 19:37 +0000
        Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-01 17:18 -0500
          Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 17:25 -0500
            Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-01 17:56 -0500
              Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 11:59 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-02 15:29 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 20:45 +0000
                Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-02 20:05 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 08:38 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-05 06:55 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-05 16:14 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-09-05 18:39 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-06 02:01 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-09-06 17:44 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-06 15:59 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-06 20:19 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-09-06 21:37 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-06 23:34 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-07 04:01 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-07 04:09 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-07 04:50 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-07 05:39 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-07 07:27 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Béèku Mická <bmik@owjfns.gh> - 2017-09-07 21:37 +0000
                Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-07 18:30 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-07 18:27 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-07 20:54 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 08:38 -0500
            Re: The flaws of SR mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-02 01:02 -0700
            Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-02 09:49 -0700
              Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 12:09 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-02 15:11 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 20:45 +0000
                Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-02 19:47 -0500
      Re: The flaws of SR "R.B." <matt.rush200@outlook.com> - 2017-09-22 03:53 -0700
    Re: The flaws of SR mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-01 01:29 -0700
      Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 19:37 +0000
        Re: The flaws of SR mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-01 14:48 -0700
    Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-02 09:39 -0700
      Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 12:03 -0500
        Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-03 08:08 -0700
          Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 08:48 -0500
            Re: The flaws of SR mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-05 07:00 -0700
            Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-05 08:19 -0700
              Re: The flaws of SR moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-05 16:02 +0000
              Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 16:10 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-06 06:58 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 09:03 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-06 07:16 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-07 07:04 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-07 15:50 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-08 06:09 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-08 08:35 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-08 07:59 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-08 11:36 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-09 07:50 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-09 08:06 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-09 09:59 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-09 11:17 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-09 11:37 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Utorských Vitelé <hue@svwor.hh> - 2017-09-09 18:59 +0000
                Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-09 18:37 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-09 17:14 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-10 01:45 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-10 05:11 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-10 09:08 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-10 07:38 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-10 09:43 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-11 08:39 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-11 09:15 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-09-11 18:24 +0200
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-12 06:45 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-12 08:59 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-12 08:13 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 11:04 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-12 14:03 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 16:42 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 16:48 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 16:50 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-09-12 18:04 -0400
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 18:05 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 11:15 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-12 14:11 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 16:43 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-09-12 18:11 -0400
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 18:06 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-12 16:36 +0000
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 09:02 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Utorských Vitelé <hue@svwor.hh> - 2017-09-12 14:22 +0000
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-12 14:26 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-11 11:52 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-11 09:58 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-09-09 08:09 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-09 10:08 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-09-09 10:18 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-09 21:15 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-09 21:42 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-09-09 21:49 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-10 07:57 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-11 08:38 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-11 08:37 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-11 08:59 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-11 09:06 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-09-11 18:21 +0200
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-11 11:48 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-11 15:35 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 08:54 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-12 08:37 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 11:02 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-12 13:54 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 16:45 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-12 14:21 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 16:40 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-13 09:09 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-09-13 18:18 +0200
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-14 05:56 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-09-14 15:15 +0200
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-21 12:09 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-21 20:14 +0000
                Re: The flaws of SR moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-21 23:10 +0000
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-13 12:33 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-14 06:05 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-14 09:06 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-14 16:00 +0000
  Re: The flaws of SR Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-08-31 21:28 -0500
    Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-01 05:57 -0700
  Re: The flaws of SR Bídníkùm Laterá <bila@wehia.ui> - 2017-09-01 07:31 +0000
    Re: The flaws of SR Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-09-01 12:21 +0200
      Re: The flaws of SR Bídníkùm Laterá <bila@wehia.ui> - 2017-09-01 12:04 +0000
      Re: The flaws of SR moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-01 12:30 +0000
        Re: The flaws of SR Bídníkùm Laterá <bila@wehia.ui> - 2017-09-01 17:32 +0000
          Re: The flaws of SR Bídníkùm Laterá <bila@wehia.ui> - 2017-09-01 17:36 +0000
  Re: The flaws of Seto's misunderstanding of SR moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-01 13:03 +0000
  The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-02 06:38 -0700
    Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-02 09:04 -0700
      Re: The flaws of SR moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-03 04:05 +0000
        Re: The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-02 21:18 -0700
      Re: The flaws of SR JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 16:13 -0700
        Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-06 20:26 -0500
  The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-09 12:10 -0700
    The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-09 13:31 -0700
      The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-09 13:34 -0700
      The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-09 14:40 -0700
        The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-10 05:51 -0700
        The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-10 09:55 -0700
          The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-10 10:06 -0700
            The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-10 10:45 -0700
            The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-10 10:48 -0700
              The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-10 10:53 -0700
  Re: The flaws of SR numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-09-09 14:18 -0700
  Re: The flaws of SR numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-09-09 14:42 -0700
  Re: The flaws of SR numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-09-09 14:45 -0700
    Re: The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-09 15:42 -0700
  Re: The flaws of SR numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-09-21 12:46 -0700
  Re: The flaws of SR Carl Susumu <numbernumber1212@gmail.com> - 2017-09-21 14:02 -0700

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