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Re: The flaws of SR

From moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: The flaws of SR
Date 2017-09-12 16:36 +0000
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kenseto <setoken@att.net> writes:

>On Tuesday, September 12, 2017 at 9:59:08 AM UTC-4, Ned Latham wrote:
>> kenseto wrote:
>> > Moron at a large distance the frequency and loudness of sound
>> > disappear completely......so there is a relationship between
>> > frequency and loudness of sound.
>> h decrease=
>> You're quite wrong about that, Kenseto. Frequency determines pitch
>> (the notes you hear); amplitude is what determines loudness, And
>> as Python said, they're completely independent.

>An approaching siren: the pitch (frequency) increases and the loudness increases.
>A receding siren: the pitch (frequency) decreases and the loudness decreases.

>This means that the same amplitude of the source, the siren, give different
>loudness. Therefore the different loudness detected from a moving siren is
>dependent on frequency and frequency is dependent on distance from the source.

Oh man, Stupid Ken, I never realized that you were *that* stupid!  Where is
Dirk's "Fumbles" page? Don't you know the difference between the Doppler Effect
and the Inverse Square law?  No wonder you're called Stupid Ken!

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The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-08-31 14:30 -0700
  Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-31 16:50 -0500
    Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-08-31 18:14 -0500
      Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 19:37 +0000
        Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-01 17:18 -0500
          Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 17:25 -0500
            Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-01 17:56 -0500
              Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 11:59 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-02 15:29 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 20:45 +0000
                Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-02 20:05 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 08:38 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-05 06:55 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-05 16:14 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-09-05 18:39 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-06 02:01 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-09-06 17:44 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-06 15:59 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-06 20:19 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-09-06 21:37 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-06 23:34 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-07 04:01 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-07 04:09 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-07 04:50 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-07 05:39 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-07 07:27 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Béèku Mická <bmik@owjfns.gh> - 2017-09-07 21:37 +0000
                Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-07 18:30 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-07 18:27 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-07 20:54 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 08:38 -0500
            Re: The flaws of SR mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-02 01:02 -0700
            Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-02 09:49 -0700
              Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 12:09 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-02 15:11 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 20:45 +0000
                Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-02 19:47 -0500
      Re: The flaws of SR "R.B." <matt.rush200@outlook.com> - 2017-09-22 03:53 -0700
    Re: The flaws of SR mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-01 01:29 -0700
      Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 19:37 +0000
        Re: The flaws of SR mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-01 14:48 -0700
    Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-02 09:39 -0700
      Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 12:03 -0500
        Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-03 08:08 -0700
          Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 08:48 -0500
            Re: The flaws of SR mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-05 07:00 -0700
            Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-05 08:19 -0700
              Re: The flaws of SR moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-05 16:02 +0000
              Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 16:10 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-06 06:58 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 09:03 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-09-06 07:16 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-07 07:04 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-07 15:50 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-08 06:09 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-08 08:35 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-08 07:59 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-08 11:36 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-09 07:50 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-09 08:06 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-09 09:59 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-09 11:17 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-09 11:37 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Utorských Vitelé <hue@svwor.hh> - 2017-09-09 18:59 +0000
                Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-09 18:37 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-09 17:14 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-10 01:45 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-10 05:11 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-10 09:08 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-09-10 07:38 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-10 09:43 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-11 08:39 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-11 09:15 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-09-11 18:24 +0200
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-12 06:45 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-12 08:59 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-12 08:13 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 11:04 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-12 14:03 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 16:42 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 16:48 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 16:50 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-09-12 18:04 -0400
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 18:05 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 11:15 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-12 14:11 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 16:43 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-09-12 18:11 -0400
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 18:06 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-12 16:36 +0000
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 09:02 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Utorských Vitelé <hue@svwor.hh> - 2017-09-12 14:22 +0000
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-12 14:26 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-11 11:52 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-11 09:58 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-09-09 08:09 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-09 10:08 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-09-09 10:18 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-09 21:15 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-09 21:42 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-09-09 21:49 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-10 07:57 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-11 08:38 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-11 08:37 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-11 08:59 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-11 09:06 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-09-11 18:21 +0200
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-11 11:48 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-11 15:35 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 08:54 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-12 08:37 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 11:02 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-12 13:54 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 16:45 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-12 14:21 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-12 16:40 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-13 09:09 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-09-13 18:18 +0200
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-14 05:56 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-09-14 15:15 +0200
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-21 12:09 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-21 20:14 +0000
                Re: The flaws of SR moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-21 23:10 +0000
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-13 12:33 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-14 06:05 -0700
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-14 09:06 -0500
                Re: The flaws of SR Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-14 16:00 +0000
  Re: The flaws of SR Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-08-31 21:28 -0500
    Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-01 05:57 -0700
  Re: The flaws of SR Bídníkùm Laterá <bila@wehia.ui> - 2017-09-01 07:31 +0000
    Re: The flaws of SR Python <python@example.invalid> - 2017-09-01 12:21 +0200
      Re: The flaws of SR Bídníkùm Laterá <bila@wehia.ui> - 2017-09-01 12:04 +0000
      Re: The flaws of SR moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-01 12:30 +0000
        Re: The flaws of SR Bídníkùm Laterá <bila@wehia.ui> - 2017-09-01 17:32 +0000
          Re: The flaws of SR Bídníkùm Laterá <bila@wehia.ui> - 2017-09-01 17:36 +0000
  Re: The flaws of Seto's misunderstanding of SR moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-01 13:03 +0000
  The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-02 06:38 -0700
    Re: The flaws of SR kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-09-02 09:04 -0700
      Re: The flaws of SR moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-03 04:05 +0000
        Re: The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-02 21:18 -0700
      Re: The flaws of SR JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 16:13 -0700
        Re: The flaws of SR Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-09-06 20:26 -0500
  The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-09 12:10 -0700
    The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-09 13:31 -0700
      The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-09 13:34 -0700
      The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-09 14:40 -0700
        The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-10 05:51 -0700
        The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-10 09:55 -0700
          The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-10 10:06 -0700
            The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-10 10:45 -0700
            The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-10 10:48 -0700
              The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-10 10:53 -0700
  Re: The flaws of SR numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-09-09 14:18 -0700
  Re: The flaws of SR numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-09-09 14:42 -0700
  Re: The flaws of SR numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-09-09 14:45 -0700
    Re: The flaws of SR "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-09 15:42 -0700
  Re: The flaws of SR numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2017-09-21 12:46 -0700
  Re: The flaws of SR Carl Susumu <numbernumber1212@gmail.com> - 2017-09-21 14:02 -0700

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