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Re: Is there any direct evidence of dark matter and dark energy?

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On 9/6/17 2:49 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> On 9/6/17 2:27 PM, john wrote:
>> Odd and Michael
>> Where are the helical magnetic fields?
>> Oh- right- gotta figure them in AFTER they were found.
>> Funny how your model is post-diction rather than pre-diction
>>
> 
> John, you have a silly idea about how scientific theories work.
> The theory of galactic formation makes a lot of predictions which have 
> been put to test -- enough to assert that the theory is well supported 
> by data.
> 
> This does not mean that EVERY observed feature in a galaxy is included 
> in the predictions of the theory.
> 
> I will give you an example of this. Darwin initiated a pretty good 
> theory about how new species arise. It has made numerous specific and 
> quantitative predictions which have been confirmed in observations. 
> Natural selection as a theory is therefore well supported by data. 
> However, natural selection does not tell you WHICH species will arise, 
> or why each species has the morphological characteristics that it does.
> 
> You are barking up the wrong tree by criticizing the theory of galactic 
> formation because it did not specifically predict a particular feature 
> of galaxies. You say your idea (it's not theory) DOES make a prediction 
> of this feature, and therefore it should be treated seriously.
> 
> However:
> - Your idea makes NO quantitative predictions. That word quantitative is 
> critical. An idea that makes no quantitative predictions is 
> scientifically stillborn.
> - Your idea also makes other firm predictions that are in direct 
> conflict with observations. You would like to have those conflicts 
> ignored. Doesn't happen. Your theory is dead.
> 
> You may not like either of these notes. Doesn't change a fucking thing.
> 

And just to hammer this in, John:

Do you know the difference between
- The theory makes no prediction one way or the other about this 
observed feature
- The theory makes a firm prediction that is in conflict with an 
observed feature
?

Do you know the difference?

One is a theory-killer, the other is not.

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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  Re: Is there any direct evidence of dark matter and dark energy? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 13:23 +0000
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