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Re: Is there any direct evidence of dark matter and dark energy?

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On 9/6/17 2:27 PM, john wrote:
> Odd and Michael
> Where are the helical magnetic fields?
> Oh- right- gotta figure them in AFTER they were found.
> Funny how your model is post-diction rather than pre-diction
> 

John, you have a silly idea about how scientific theories work.
The theory of galactic formation makes a lot of predictions which have 
been put to test -- enough to assert that the theory is well supported 
by data.

This does not mean that EVERY observed feature in a galaxy is included 
in the predictions of the theory.

I will give you an example of this. Darwin initiated a pretty good 
theory about how new species arise. It has made numerous specific and 
quantitative predictions which have been confirmed in observations. 
Natural selection as a theory is therefore well supported by data. 
However, natural selection does not tell you WHICH species will arise, 
or why each species has the morphological characteristics that it does.

You are barking up the wrong tree by criticizing the theory of galactic 
formation because it did not specifically predict a particular feature 
of galaxies. You say your idea (it's not theory) DOES make a prediction 
of this feature, and therefore it should be treated seriously.

However:
- Your idea makes NO quantitative predictions. That word quantitative is 
critical. An idea that makes no quantitative predictions is 
scientifically stillborn.
- Your idea also makes other firm predictions that are in direct 
conflict with observations. You would like to have those conflicts 
ignored. Doesn't happen. Your theory is dead.

You may not like either of these notes. Doesn't change a fucking thing.

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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  Re: Is there any direct evidence of dark matter and dark energy? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 13:23 +0000
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