Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view

From	Serg io <invalid@invalid.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view
Date	2017-08-27 10:20 -0500
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On 8/26/2017 5:53 PM, benj wrote:
> On 8/26/2017 6:01 PM, Serg io wrote:
>> On 8/26/2017 4:31 PM, benj wrote:
>>> On 8/26/2017 10:07 AM, Serg io wrote:
>>>> On 8/26/2017 12:50 AM, benj wrote:
>>>>> On 08/25/2017 08:17 PM, Serg io wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/25/2017 5:28 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm aware that there are a number of people on this group who are 
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> even comfortable with the concepts of 19th century physics, let 
>>>>>>> alone
>>>>>>> 20th century physics, and these people prefer to just speculate and
>>>>>>> argue about what "feels right" to them, justified or not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm aware that there are a number of people on this group who think
>>>>>>> 19th century physics (the "classical" physics of Newton and 
>>>>>>> Kelvin and
>>>>>>> Maxwell) is still the best model, and that physics went astray with
>>>>>>> relativity and quantum mechanics and basically anything that says
>>>>>>> classical physics is off a bit.
>>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are lots of good references here that support this nutshell
>>>>>>> recap in much better detail.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> So what Odd is saying Sergio is that the world view of science 
>>>>> which was of an existence of a concrete reality modeled by language 
>>>>> (usually arithmetic) has now been replaced in his mind by total 
>>>>> fantasy where a person is allowed to believe anything and declare 
>>>>> it true. Gravity is due to warps in space instead of Newton's idea 
>>>>> of gravity being caused by division of mass by distance. People 
>>>>> chase their own tails saying causality is as dead as God and 
>>>>> Relativity due to entanglement is both true and false at the same 
>>>>> time. Doublethink. This is what happens when idiot librul arts 
>>>>> types who haven't a clue about science but are all experts in 
>>>>> fantasy start to influence sane resaonable people. Next thing you 
>>>>> know you can't say anything insane enough to make fun of them 
>>>>> because they pest you every time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Shame on you for encouraging Odd! You really know better than that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, last lines I asked was where is his math, where is it proven 
>>>> wrong, or replaced, but there are no references.  no answer.
>>>>
>>>> and note, I did not dis the concept of Objects, like he did.  I mean 
>>>> if there were no objects, where would we be?
>>>
>>> The question of what is "real" in the universe or in math it's worded 
>>> what is "true" is a central on of the universe. It is a central 
>>> unanswered question of science. Godel's theorem states: "For every 
>>> consistent formalization of arithmetic there exist arithmetic truths 
>>> that are not provable within that formal system". This states much to 
>>> the dismay of Odd and those like him that even mathematical fantasy 
>>> cannot prove all things that are actually mathematically "true" let 
>>> alone the reality that the fantasy is modeling. And of course George 
>>> Chaitin showed is that no program of complexity n can produce a 
>>> number of complexity greater than n. More limitations of science as a 
>>> method to get at "reality". For that science is proven flop EVEN for 
>>> fantasy!
>>>
>>>
>>>> Object Orentated Programming has "objects" which may contain data in 
>>>> the form of "fields".
>>>>
>>>> perhaps all of Physics can be restructured by OOP approch ?
>>>
>>> Obviously OOP "objects" are total fantasy, like all of math. Does 
>>> restructuring a model restructure reality? Odd, thinks so. But he's 
>>> an amateur.
>>>
>>>> " Objects sometimes correspond to things found in the real world. 
>>>> For example, a graphics program may have objects such as "circle", 
>>>> "square", "menu". 
>>>
>>> Sorry Dude, but circles, squares, points, lines and all the rest are 
>>> NOT in the "real world". "2" is not in the real world and you know 
>>> where that leaves  2+2 =?
>>>
>>> An online shopping system might have objects such as "shopping
>>>> cart", "customer", and "product".[7] Sometimes objects represent 
>>>> more abstract entities, like an object that represents an open file, 
>>>> or an object that provides the service of translating measurements 
>>>> from U.S. customary to metric.
>>>
>>> You use the key word "represent"! Fantasy is used to represent 
>>> reality. A Shopping Cart is the bums that live under the bridge in my 
>>> neighborhood use to push their stuff around. An OOP "shopping cart" 
>>> is an imaginary fantasy that is nothing but a collection of symbols.
>>>
>>>> Each object is said to be an instance of a particular class (for 
>>>> example, an object with its name field set to "Mary" might be an 
>>>> instance of class Employee). Procedures in object-oriented 
>>>> programming are known as methods; variables are also known as 
>>>> fields, members, attributes, or properties. This leads to the 
>>>> following terms:
>>>>
>>>>      Class variables – belong to the class as a whole; there is only 
>>>> one copy of each one
>>>>      Instance variables or attributes – data that belongs to 
>>>> individual objects; every object has its own copy of each one
>>>>      Member variables – refers to both the class and instance 
>>>> variables that are defined by a particular class
>>>>      Class methods – belong to the class as a whole and have access 
>>>> only to class variables and inputs from the procedure call
>>>>      Instance methods – belong to individual objects, and have 
>>>> access to instance variables for the specific object they are called 
>>>> on, inputs, and class variables"
>>>>
>>>> I am assigning AP to finish that job, conversion of Old Physics into 
>>>> OOPhysics.
>>>
>>> A worthy undertaking I'm sure. However, you should note that what you 
>>> are doing is simply changing the usual language of physics analogs 
>>> (mathematics) for another one OOP classes and structures. The 
>>> underlying reality that is being modeled has not changed at all. This 
>>> is Odd's mistake. He confuses actual reality with how he THINKS about 
>>> things. In other words to him fantasy IS what he believes is his 
>>> reality.
>>>
>>> But let me point out that David Hilbert in 1929 showed that ALL 
>>> mathematical systems are reducible to arithmetic.
>>>
>>> For more information see my book at hypersphere.us.
>>>

>>
>> this one ?
>> http://www.mrk-inc.com/Docs/Hypersphere/
> 
> Yes. www.hypersphere.us works but I don't pay the yearly fee to cover 
> the address of the storage server so you get to see it.
> 
>> a lot of items there,

> This used to be the site of my BBB theory paper (Big Bang is Bullshit). 
> However, I found a problem with the Cepheid star calculations and pulled 
> it until it's fixed. In the meantime, it's a temporary site for a 
> variety of junk. Wait till you see the next one! Proving NP = P!
> (Still being written)
> 
>> I think you could publish pseudoscience ....
> 
> It is. Right on the Internet under GNU license (It's an experiment)
> 
>> a snip of it;
>>
>> "Shadow     Subsonic Hovering Armament Directing and Observation 
>> Window (Saucer drone)
>>
>> Shamrock     Massive wiretap project of the SSA in the 1940s to 
>> collect all foreign and domestic cable traffic.
>>
>> Sigma     Est. 1954 as originally part of Project Gleem to communicate 
>> with E.T.s (successful in 1959) became separate project in 1976 
>> continued at AFB in NM.
>>
>> Sign     Change of “Project Saucer” name to make it less obvious and 
>> more obscure (1948)
>>
>> Shamrock     Huge project of SSA (1940s) to tap all foreign and 
>> domestic cable traffic. Was done in cooperation with ITT, RCA and 
>> Western Union.
>>
>> Sherwood     Project to create controlled nuclear fusion reactor. 1955 
>> – to present?"
> 
> Note list of projects and names was made by every time I read a book 
> (kook or otherwise) that listed one, I added it to the list. There is no 
> guarantee of accuracy for any of them.
> 
> 

great list, brings to light obscured programs, most I have never heard 
about, some very strange, and google can provide further detailed 
information on them

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What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 17:28 -0500
  What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-25 16:04 -0700
    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-26 01:53 +0000
  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-25 19:17 -0500
    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <nobody@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-26 01:50 -0400
      Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-26 09:07 -0500
        Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-26 10:43 -0500
          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-26 11:26 -0500
            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-26 10:24 -0700
              Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-26 14:28 -0500
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                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-26 22:52 -0400
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-27 12:27 +0000
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                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-28 11:47 -0700
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                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-28 16:16 -0400
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-31 16:03 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-31 17:04 -0400
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 19:37 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-09-01 18:18 -0400
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 22:52 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-09-01 21:38 -0400
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 02:42 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-09-01 23:31 -0400
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 13:33 +0000
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                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 14:23 -0500
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 14:00 -0700
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                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 22:14 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 22:14 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 15:39 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 22:47 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 16:06 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 00:07 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 16:17 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 00:07 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 17:17 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 00:28 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 17:34 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 00:50 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 18:01 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 01:18 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 18:30 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 18:51 -0700
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                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 19:17 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 02:19 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 01:33 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 13:08 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-04 07:02 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 13:20 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 02:16 +0000
                If a delusion benefits a kook, he'll go with it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 05:21 -0700
                Re: If a delusion benefits a kook, he'll go with it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 13:08 +0000
                Re: If a delusion benefits a kook, he'll go with it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 06:27 -0700
                Re: If a delusion benefits a kook, he'll go with it. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 13:35 +0000
                Re: If a delusion benefits a kook, he'll go with it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 06:50 -0700
                Re: If a delusion benefits a kook, he'll go with it. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 07:16 -0700
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                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 02:16 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-04 06:50 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 05:01 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-04 16:19 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 11:16 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 12:41 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-05 00:00 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 08:21 -0500
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 15:12 -0500
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 13:33 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 13:48 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-09-04 14:59 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 07:03 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 08:04 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-09-05 17:18 -0400
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 16:29 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 16:58 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 00:42 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 18:36 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 18:51 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 01:53 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 19:17 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 08:23 -0500
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 06:46 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 07:04 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 09:08 -0500
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 07:32 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 09:07 -0500
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-05 15:39 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 09:48 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-05 17:25 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 16:10 -0500
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 19:25 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 05:55 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 08:46 -0500
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 07:09 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 12:44 -0500
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 01:51 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 00:42 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-05 00:16 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 21:35 -0500
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 02:48 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-09-02 18:26 -0400
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 22:47 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-09-01 19:46 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-09-01 23:42 -0400
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-26 22:53 -0400
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                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view "Dingus Dirtbag McGee" <scopeflenser@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 18:58 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 19:04 -0700
            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-26 17:43 -0400
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                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-28 16:23 -0400
          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-26 17:35 -0400
        Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-26 17:31 -0400
          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-26 17:01 -0500
            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-26 18:53 -0400
              Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-27 10:20 -0500
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-28 16:21 -0400
          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view fr314159@gmail.com - 2017-09-01 10:15 -0700
  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Bídníkùm Laterá <bila@wehia.ui> - 2017-08-26 12:00 +0000
  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-26 16:19 +0000
    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-26 14:25 -0500
  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-26 15:57 -0700
    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-26 17:08 -0700
      Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-26 18:00 -0700
        Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-26 19:15 -0700
  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-08-27 10:25 -0700
  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view fr314159@gmail.com - 2017-08-28 06:43 -0700
    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 11:45 -0500
  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-08-28 21:11 +0200
    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-28 12:22 -0700
      Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 12:36 -0700
        Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 15:59 -0500
      Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-08-28 21:49 +0200
        Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-28 23:43 -0700
          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-08-29 16:01 +0200
            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-29 07:59 -0700
            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-29 10:42 -0700
              Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-30 09:37 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-30 10:06 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-08-30 21:45 +0200
          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-09-02 12:46 -0700
            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-09-03 22:32 +0200
  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Sadovnik Socratus <44socrat@gmail.com> - 2017-08-30 02:46 -0700
    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-30 06:59 -0700
      Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-30 19:00 +0000

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