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| From | Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view |
| Date | 2017-08-26 09:07 -0500 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
| Message-ID | <onrvbt$s3$1@gioia.aioe.org> (permalink) |
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Cross-posted to 2 groups.
On 8/26/2017 12:50 AM, benj wrote:
> On 08/25/2017 08:17 PM, Serg io wrote:
>> On 8/25/2017 5:28 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> I'm aware that there are a number of people on this group who are not
>>> even comfortable with the concepts of 19th century physics, let alone
>>> 20th century physics, and these people prefer to just speculate and
>>> argue about what "feels right" to them, justified or not.
>>>
>>> I'm aware that there are a number of people on this group who think
>>> 19th century physics (the "classical" physics of Newton and Kelvin and
>>> Maxwell) is still the best model, and that physics went astray with
>>> relativity and quantum mechanics and basically anything that says
>>> classical physics is off a bit.
>>>
>>> But what's interesting to me is that, with some of the reading that
>>> I've done over the last decade, even the "modern physics" of the 20th
>>> century has been left behind for newer and much different ideas.
>>>
>>> Even in the "modern physics" paradigm, amateurs are prone to think of
>>> physics as being about things (objects, particles, material things)
>>> moving around in a backdrop of space and time, where their behaviors
>>> are controlled by certain laws of physics (like conservation of
>>> momentum or Gauss' law) and by certain interactions mediated by other
>>> "things" (gauge bosons, for example).
>>>
>>> But the real picture of the 21st century is far stranger, and amateurs
>>> may not be fully aware of it.
>>
>> agree.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> In a very brief nutshell, all "things" have been replaced by fields
>>> which extend over ALL space and time. They don't live IN space and
>>> time like you imagine particles or ping pong balls. They are part of
>>> the fabric OF space and time.
>>>
>>> There are ripples in these fields, which have behavior constrained by
>>> symmetries of nature, which are more fundamental in a deep sense than
>>> the conservation laws of nature.
>>>
>>> Ripples can be measured by a quantity called "action", which
>>> physicists have known about for a long time. What they didn't know
>>> until the 20th century is that the smallest chunk of action is given
>>> by a number called Planck's constant. These smallest ripples are what
>>> we associate with field quanta, and when physicists say "fundamental
>>> particles" they are really talking about these field quanta.
>>>
>>> So, recapping so far, the idea of "things" moving through space and
>>> time has become replaced with the idea of fields that extend
>>> everywhere, and the ripples in them that are bestowed with small
>>> amounts of action.
>>>
>>> (I've glossed over a key idea that a field is nothing more than a map
>>> of the value(s) of a property(ies) OF spacetime itself. Different
>>> fields correspond to different sets of properties of spacetime, and
>>> all the fields overlay each other. The little quantized ripples in the
>>> fields can be distinct from each other though, in some sense.)
>>>
>>> Now the last core concept is that a ripple carrying some action in one
>>> field can generate or disturb a ripple carrying some action in a
>>> different field. This is what we call an interaction between fields.
>>> Here's where another old idea gets replaced -- charge (like color
>>> charge or electromagnetic charge) is not some kind of "stuff" that
>>> belongs to "things"; instead, charge is just defined as that tendency
>>> for a given pair of fields to interact and create ripples in each
>>> other. The laws that control these interactions are in fact driven by
>>> yet more symmetries of nature (local gauge symmetries).
>>
>> it is simply the progression of Ideas, and refinement. It is great if
>> one is well read in physics, from Aristotle to present day, and have a
>> full understanding of the various paths theories have been on.
>>
>> Aristotle (360 BCE)believed that there were only five elements: air
>> which was light, earth which was cool and heavy, water which was wet,
>> fire which was hot, and Aether which he viewed as a divine substance
>> which made up the stars and planets. Aristotle believed that all matter
>> was made up either of one of the elements of water air earth and fire or
>> combinations of these four elements, with the exception of stars and
>> planets which were made of aether. This held for centuries.
>>
>>>
>>> What's astonishing about this is that physicists now believe that the
>>> fundamental thing that physics is about is the interaction, not the
>>> object. And rather than physical laws, physicists now think of
>>> symmetries as the fundamental constraint.
>>
>> physics equations describe (or model) interactions between "objects"
>> which are also idealized (also a model)
>>
>>
>>> So gone are the days of thinking of the world as moving things in a
>>> backdrop of space and time. Here today we have the primacy of the
>>> interaction, of action, and of symmetry. And THAT is what 21st century
>>> physics seems to me to be really about.
>>
>> they would be gone, if proven wrong, or if replaced by another type of
>> math ( modeling again)
>>
>>>
>>> There are lots of good references here that support this nutshell
>>> recap in much better detail.
>>>
>>>
>>
> So what Odd is saying Sergio is that the world view of science which was
> of an existence of a concrete reality modeled by language (usually
> arithmetic) has now been replaced in his mind by total fantasy where a
> person is allowed to believe anything and declare it true. Gravity is
> due to warps in space instead of Newton's idea of gravity being caused
> by division of mass by distance. People chase their own tails saying
> causality is as dead as God and Relativity due to entanglement is both
> true and false at the same time. Doublethink. This is what happens when
> idiot librul arts types who haven't a clue about science but are all
> experts in fantasy start to influence sane resaonable people. Next thing
> you know you can't say anything insane enough to make fun of them
> because they pest you every time.
>
> Shame on you for encouraging Odd! You really know better than that.
Well, last lines I asked was where is his math, where is it proven
wrong, or replaced, but there are no references. no answer.
and note, I did not dis the concept of Objects, like he did. I mean if
there were no objects, where would we be?
Object Orentated Programming has "objects" which may contain data in the
form of "fields".
perhaps all of Physics can be restructured by OOP approch ?
" Objects sometimes correspond to things found in the real world. For
example, a graphics program may have objects such as "circle", "square",
"menu". An online shopping system might have objects such as "shopping
cart", "customer", and "product".[7] Sometimes objects represent more
abstract entities, like an object that represents an open file, or an
object that provides the service of translating measurements from U.S.
customary to metric.
Each object is said to be an instance of a particular class (for
example, an object with its name field set to "Mary" might be an
instance of class Employee). Procedures in object-oriented programming
are known as methods; variables are also known as fields, members,
attributes, or properties. This leads to the following terms:
Class variables – belong to the class as a whole; there is only one
copy of each one
Instance variables or attributes – data that belongs to individual
objects; every object has its own copy of each one
Member variables – refers to both the class and instance variables
that are defined by a particular class
Class methods – belong to the class as a whole and have access only
to class variables and inputs from the procedure call
Instance methods – belong to individual objects, and have access to
instance variables for the specific object they are called on, inputs,
and class variables"
I am assigning AP to finish that job, conversion of Old Physics into
OOPhysics.
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Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-09-01 21:38 -0400
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Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-09-04 14:59 -0700
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 07:03 -0700
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Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-09-05 17:18 -0400
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 16:29 -0700
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 16:58 -0700
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 00:42 +0000
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 18:36 -0700
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 18:51 -0700
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 01:53 +0000
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 19:17 -0700
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 08:23 -0500
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 06:46 -0700
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 07:04 -0700
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 09:08 -0500
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 07:32 -0700
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 09:07 -0500
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-05 15:39 +0000
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 09:48 -0700
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-05 17:25 +0000
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 16:10 -0500
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 19:25 -0700
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 05:55 -0700
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 08:46 -0500
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 07:09 -0700
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 12:44 -0500
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 01:51 +0000
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 00:42 +0000
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-05 00:16 +0000
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 21:35 -0500
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 02:48 -0700
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-09-02 18:26 -0400
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 22:47 +0000
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-09-01 19:46 -0700
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-09-01 23:42 -0400
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-26 22:53 -0400
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view poraty350@gmail.com - 2017-09-02 00:57 -0700
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view "Dingus Dirtbag McGee" <scopeflenser@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 18:58 -0700
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 19:04 -0700
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-26 17:43 -0400
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-27 11:41 -0500
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-28 16:23 -0400
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-26 17:35 -0400
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-26 17:31 -0400
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-26 17:01 -0500
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-26 18:53 -0400
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-27 10:20 -0500
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-28 16:21 -0400
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view fr314159@gmail.com - 2017-09-01 10:15 -0700
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Bídníkùm Laterá <bila@wehia.ui> - 2017-08-26 12:00 +0000
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-26 16:19 +0000
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-26 14:25 -0500
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-26 15:57 -0700
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-26 17:08 -0700
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-26 18:00 -0700
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-26 19:15 -0700
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-08-27 10:25 -0700
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view fr314159@gmail.com - 2017-08-28 06:43 -0700
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 11:45 -0500
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-08-28 21:11 +0200
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-28 12:22 -0700
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 12:36 -0700
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 15:59 -0500
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-08-28 21:49 +0200
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-28 23:43 -0700
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-08-29 16:01 +0200
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-29 07:59 -0700
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-29 10:42 -0700
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-30 09:37 -0700
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-30 10:06 -0700
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-08-30 21:45 +0200
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-09-02 12:46 -0700
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-09-03 22:32 +0200
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Sadovnik Socratus <44socrat@gmail.com> - 2017-08-30 02:46 -0700
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-30 06:59 -0700
Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-30 19:00 +0000
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