Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view

From	Serg io <invalid@invalid.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view
Date	2017-08-26 17:01 -0500
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On 8/26/2017 4:31 PM, benj wrote:
> On 8/26/2017 10:07 AM, Serg io wrote:
>> On 8/26/2017 12:50 AM, benj wrote:
>>> On 08/25/2017 08:17 PM, Serg io wrote:
>>>> On 8/25/2017 5:28 PM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>> I'm aware that there are a number of people on this group who are not
>>>>> even comfortable with the concepts of 19th century physics, let alone
>>>>> 20th century physics, and these people prefer to just speculate and
>>>>> argue about what "feels right" to them, justified or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm aware that there are a number of people on this group who think
>>>>> 19th century physics (the "classical" physics of Newton and Kelvin and
>>>>> Maxwell) is still the best model, and that physics went astray with
>>>>> relativity and quantum mechanics and basically anything that says
>>>>> classical physics is off a bit.
>>>>>


>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There are lots of good references here that support this nutshell
>>>>> recap in much better detail.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> So what Odd is saying Sergio is that the world view of science which 
>>> was of an existence of a concrete reality modeled by language 
>>> (usually arithmetic) has now been replaced in his mind by total 
>>> fantasy where a person is allowed to believe anything and declare it 
>>> true. Gravity is due to warps in space instead of Newton's idea of 
>>> gravity being caused by division of mass by distance. People chase 
>>> their own tails saying causality is as dead as God and Relativity due 
>>> to entanglement is both true and false at the same time. Doublethink. 
>>> This is what happens when idiot librul arts types who haven't a clue 
>>> about science but are all experts in fantasy start to influence sane 
>>> resaonable people. Next thing you know you can't say anything insane 
>>> enough to make fun of them because they pest you every time.
>>>
>>> Shame on you for encouraging Odd! You really know better than that.
>>
>>
>> Well, last lines I asked was where is his math, where is it proven 
>> wrong, or replaced, but there are no references.  no answer.
>>
>> and note, I did not dis the concept of Objects, like he did.  I mean 
>> if there were no objects, where would we be?
> 
> The question of what is "real" in the universe or in math it's worded 
> what is "true" is a central on of the universe. It is a central 
> unanswered question of science. Godel's theorem states: "For every 
> consistent formalization of arithmetic there exist arithmetic truths 
> that are not provable within that formal system". This states much to 
> the dismay of Odd and those like him that even mathematical fantasy 
> cannot prove all things that are actually mathematically "true" let 
> alone the reality that the fantasy is modeling. And of course George 
> Chaitin showed is that no program of complexity n can produce a number 
> of complexity greater than n. More limitations of science as a method to 
> get at "reality". For that science is proven flop EVEN for fantasy!
> 
> 
>> Object Orentated Programming has "objects" which may contain data in 
>> the form of "fields".
>>
>> perhaps all of Physics can be restructured by OOP approch ?
> 
> Obviously OOP "objects" are total fantasy, like all of math. Does 
> restructuring a model restructure reality? Odd, thinks so. But he's an 
> amateur.
> 
>> " Objects sometimes correspond to things found in the real world. For 
>> example, a graphics program may have objects such as "circle", 
>> "square", "menu". 
> 
> Sorry Dude, but circles, squares, points, lines and all the rest are NOT 
> in the "real world". "2" is not in the real world and you know where 
> that leaves  2+2 =?
> 
> An online shopping system might have objects such as "shopping
>> cart", "customer", and "product".[7] Sometimes objects represent more 
>> abstract entities, like an object that represents an open file, or an 
>> object that provides the service of translating measurements from U.S. 
>> customary to metric.
> 
> You use the key word "represent"! Fantasy is used to represent reality. 
> A Shopping Cart is the bums that live under the bridge in my 
> neighborhood use to push their stuff around. An OOP "shopping cart" is 
> an imaginary fantasy that is nothing but a collection of symbols.
> 
>> Each object is said to be an instance of a particular class (for 
>> example, an object with its name field set to "Mary" might be an 
>> instance of class Employee). Procedures in object-oriented programming 
>> are known as methods; variables are also known as fields, members, 
>> attributes, or properties. This leads to the following terms:
>>
>>      Class variables – belong to the class as a whole; there is only 
>> one copy of each one
>>      Instance variables or attributes – data that belongs to 
>> individual objects; every object has its own copy of each one
>>      Member variables – refers to both the class and instance 
>> variables that are defined by a particular class
>>      Class methods – belong to the class as a whole and have access 
>> only to class variables and inputs from the procedure call
>>      Instance methods – belong to individual objects, and have access 
>> to instance variables for the specific object they are called on, 
>> inputs, and class variables"
>>
>> I am assigning AP to finish that job, conversion of Old Physics into 
>> OOPhysics.
> 
> A worthy undertaking I'm sure. However, you should note that what you 
> are doing is simply changing the usual language of physics analogs 
> (mathematics) for another one OOP classes and structures. The underlying 
> reality that is being modeled has not changed at all. This is Odd's 
> mistake. He confuses actual reality with how he THINKS about things. In 
> other words to him fantasy IS what he believes is his reality.
> 
> But let me point out that David Hilbert in 1929 showed that ALL 
> mathematical systems are reducible to arithmetic.
> 
> For more information see my book at hypersphere.us.
> 
> 

this one ?
http://www.mrk-inc.com/Docs/Hypersphere/

a lot of items there,
I think you could publish pseudoscience ....


a snip of it;

"Shadow 	Subsonic Hovering Armament Directing and Observation Window 
(Saucer drone)

Shamrock 	Massive wiretap project of the SSA in the 1940s to collect all 
foreign and domestic cable traffic.

Sigma 	Est. 1954 as originally part of Project Gleem to communicate with 
E.T.s (successful in 1959) became separate project in 1976 continued at 
AFB in NM.

Sign 	Change of “Project Saucer” name to make it less obvious and more 
obscure (1948)

Shamrock 	Huge project of SSA (1940s) to tap all foreign and domestic 
cable traffic. Was done in cooperation with ITT, RCA and Western Union.

Sherwood 	Project to create controlled nuclear fusion reactor. 1955 – to 
present?"

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    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-26 01:53 +0000
  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-25 19:17 -0500
    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <nobody@yahoo.com> - 2017-08-26 01:50 -0400
      Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-26 09:07 -0500
        Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-26 10:43 -0500
          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-26 11:26 -0500
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                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-31 16:03 +0000
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                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 19:37 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-09-01 18:18 -0400
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-01 22:52 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-09-01 21:38 -0400
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 02:42 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-09-01 23:31 -0400
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 13:33 +0000
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                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 22:14 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 15:39 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 22:47 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 16:06 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 00:07 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 16:17 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 00:07 +0000
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                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 00:50 +0000
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                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 01:18 +0000
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                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 02:19 +0000
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                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 13:08 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-04 07:02 +0000
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                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-03 02:16 +0000
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                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-09-05 17:18 -0400
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 16:29 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 16:58 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 00:42 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 18:36 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 18:51 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 01:53 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 19:17 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 08:23 -0500
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 06:46 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 07:04 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 09:08 -0500
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 07:32 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 09:07 -0500
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-05 15:39 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 09:48 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-05 17:25 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 16:10 -0500
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 19:25 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 05:55 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 08:46 -0500
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 07:09 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 12:44 -0500
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 01:51 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 00:42 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-05 00:16 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 21:35 -0500
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 02:48 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-09-02 18:26 -0400
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 22:47 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-09-01 19:46 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-09-01 23:42 -0400
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-26 22:53 -0400
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                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 19:04 -0700
            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-26 17:43 -0400
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          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-26 17:35 -0400
        Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-26 17:31 -0400
          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-26 17:01 -0500
            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-26 18:53 -0400
              Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-27 10:20 -0500
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-28 16:21 -0400
          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view fr314159@gmail.com - 2017-09-01 10:15 -0700
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  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-26 16:19 +0000
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  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-26 15:57 -0700
    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-26 17:08 -0700
      Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-26 18:00 -0700
        Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-26 19:15 -0700
  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-08-27 10:25 -0700
  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view fr314159@gmail.com - 2017-08-28 06:43 -0700
    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 11:45 -0500
  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-08-28 21:11 +0200
    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-28 12:22 -0700
      Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 12:36 -0700
        Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 15:59 -0500
      Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-08-28 21:49 +0200
        Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-28 23:43 -0700
          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-08-29 16:01 +0200
            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-29 07:59 -0700
            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-29 10:42 -0700
              Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-30 09:37 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-30 10:06 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-08-30 21:45 +0200
          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-09-02 12:46 -0700
            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-09-03 22:32 +0200
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    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-30 06:59 -0700
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