What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity
Subject	What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view
Date	2017-08-25 17:28 -0500
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I'm aware that there are a number of people on this group who are not 
even comfortable with the concepts of 19th century physics, let alone 
20th century physics, and these people prefer to just speculate and 
argue about what "feels right" to them, justified or not.

I'm aware that there are a number of people on this group who think 19th 
century physics (the "classical" physics of Newton and Kelvin and 
Maxwell) is still the best model, and that physics went astray with 
relativity and quantum mechanics and basically anything that says 
classical physics is off a bit.

But what's interesting to me is that, with some of the reading that I've 
done over the last decade, even the "modern physics" of the 20th century 
has been left behind for newer and much different ideas.

Even in the "modern physics" paradigm, amateurs are prone to think of 
physics as being about things (objects, particles, material things) 
moving around in a backdrop of space and time, where their behaviors are 
controlled by certain laws of physics (like conservation of momentum or 
Gauss' law) and by certain interactions mediated by other "things" 
(gauge bosons, for example).

But the real picture of the 21st century is far stranger, and amateurs 
may not be fully aware of it.

In a very brief nutshell, all "things" have been replaced by fields 
which extend over ALL space and time. They don't live IN space and time 
like you imagine particles or ping pong balls. They are part of the 
fabric OF space and time.

There are ripples in these fields, which have behavior constrained by 
symmetries of nature, which are more fundamental in a deep sense than 
the conservation laws of nature.

Ripples can be measured by a quantity called "action", which physicists 
have known about for a long time. What they didn't know until the 20th 
century is that the smallest chunk of action is given by a number called 
Planck's constant. These smallest ripples are what we associate with 
field quanta, and when physicists say "fundamental particles" they are 
really talking about these field quanta.

So, recapping so far, the idea of "things" moving through space and time 
has become replaced with the idea of fields that extend everywhere, and 
the ripples in them that are bestowed with small amounts of action.

(I've glossed over a key idea that a field is nothing more than a map of 
the value(s) of a property(ies) OF spacetime itself. Different fields 
correspond to different sets of properties of spacetime, and all the 
fields overlay each other. The little quantized ripples in the fields 
can be distinct from each other though, in some sense.)

Now the last core concept is that a ripple carrying some action in one 
field can generate or disturb a ripple carrying some action in a 
different field. This is what we call an interaction between fields. 
Here's where another old idea gets replaced -- charge (like color charge 
or electromagnetic charge) is not some kind of "stuff" that belongs to 
"things"; instead, charge is just defined as that tendency for a given 
pair of fields to interact and create ripples in each other. The laws 
that control these interactions are in fact driven by yet more 
symmetries of nature (local gauge symmetries).

What's astonishing about this is that physicists now believe that the 
fundamental thing that physics is about is the interaction, not the 
object. And rather than physical laws, physicists now think of 
symmetries as the fundamental constraint.

So gone are the days of thinking of the world as moving things in a 
backdrop of space and time. Here today we have the primacy of the 
interaction, of action, and of symmetry. And THAT is what 21st century 
physics seems to me to be really about.

There are lots of good references here that support this nutshell recap 
in much better detail.


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 08:46 -0500
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 07:09 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-06 12:44 -0500
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 01:51 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 00:42 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-09-05 00:16 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2017-09-04 21:35 -0500
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-05 02:48 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-09-02 18:26 -0400
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 22:47 +0000
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-09-01 19:46 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-09-01 23:42 -0400
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-26 22:53 -0400
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                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view "Dingus Dirtbag McGee" <scopeflenser@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 18:58 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-09-02 19:04 -0700
            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-26 17:43 -0400
              Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-27 11:41 -0500
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-28 16:23 -0400
          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-26 17:35 -0400
        Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-26 17:31 -0400
          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-26 17:01 -0500
            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-26 18:53 -0400
              Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-08-27 10:20 -0500
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-08-28 16:21 -0400
          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view fr314159@gmail.com - 2017-09-01 10:15 -0700
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  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-26 16:19 +0000
    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-26 14:25 -0500
  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-26 15:57 -0700
    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-26 17:08 -0700
      Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-26 18:00 -0700
        Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-26 19:15 -0700
  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2017-08-27 10:25 -0700
  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view fr314159@gmail.com - 2017-08-28 06:43 -0700
    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 11:45 -0500
  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-08-28 21:11 +0200
    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-28 12:22 -0700
      Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 12:36 -0700
        Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-08-28 15:59 -0500
      Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-08-28 21:49 +0200
        Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-28 23:43 -0700
          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-08-29 16:01 +0200
            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-29 07:59 -0700
            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-29 10:42 -0700
              Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-30 09:37 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-08-30 10:06 -0700
                Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-08-30 21:45 +0200
          Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2017-09-02 12:46 -0700
            Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2017-09-03 22:32 +0200
  Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view Sadovnik Socratus <44socrat@gmail.com> - 2017-08-30 02:46 -0700
    Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2017-08-30 06:59 -0700
      Re: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-08-30 19:00 +0000

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